linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive

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Message-ID: <5B62F807.8030407@huawei.com>
Date:   Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:24:39 +0800
From:   Xu Zaibo <xuzaibo@...wei.com>
To:     Alan Cox <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
        "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive

Hi,

On 2018/8/2 18:10, Alan Cox wrote:
>> One motivation I guess, is that most accelerators lack of a
>> well-abstracted high level APIs similar to GPU side (e.g. OpenCL
>> clearly defines Shared Virtual Memory models). VFIO mdev
>> might be an alternative common interface to enable SVA usages
>> on various accelerators...
> SVA is not IMHO the hard bit from a user level API perspective. The hard
> bit is describing what you have and enumerating the contents of the device
> especially when those can be quite dynamic and in the FPGA case can
> change on the fly.
>
> Right now we've got
> - FPGA manager
> - Google's recently posted ASIC patches
> - WarpDrive
>
> all trying to be bits of the same thing, and really there needs to be a
> single solution that handles all of this stuff properly.
>
> If we are going to have any kind of general purpose accelerator API then
> it has to be able to implement things like
>
> 	'find me an accelerator with function X that is nearest my memory'
> 	'find me accelerator functions X and Y that share HBM'
> 	'find me accelerator functions X and Y than can be chained'
>
> If instead we have three API's depending upon whose accelerator you are
> using and whether it's FPGA or ASIC this is going to be a mess on a grand
> scale.
>
Agree, at the beginning, we try to bring a notion of 'capability' which 
describes 'algorithms, mem access methods .etc ',
but then, we come to realize it is the first thing that we should come 
to a single solution on these things such as
memory/device access, IOMMU .etc.

Thanks,
Zaibo

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