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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:05:35 +0800
From: Kenneth Lee <liguozhu@...ilicon.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>
CC: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>,
Kenneth Lee <nek.in.cn@...il.com>,
Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>,
Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
"kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
Zaibo Xu <xuzaibo@...wei.com>,
"linux-doc@...r.kernel.org" <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>,
"Kumar, Sanjay K" <sanjay.k.kumar@...el.com>,
Hao Fang <fanghao11@...wei.com>,
"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
"linuxarm@...wei.com" <linuxarm@...wei.com>,
"iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
"David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
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Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
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<linux-accelerators@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFCv2 PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 06:50:55AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 06:50:55 +0000
> From: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>
> To: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>, Kenneth Lee <liguozhu@...ilicon.com>
> CC: Kenneth Lee <nek.in.cn@...il.com>, Alex Williamson
> <alex.williamson@...hat.com>, Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
> "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet
> <corbet@....net>, Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>, Zaibo
> Xu <xuzaibo@...wei.com>, "linux-doc@...r.kernel.org"
> <linux-doc@...r.kernel.org>, "Kumar, Sanjay K" <sanjay.k.kumar@...el.com>,
> Hao Fang <fanghao11@...wei.com>, "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org"
> <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, "linuxarm@...wei.com"
> <linuxarm@...wei.com>, "iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org"
> <iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org>, "David S . Miller"
> <davem@...emloft.net>, "linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org"
> <linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org>, Zhou Wang <wangzhou1@...ilicon.com>,
> Philippe Ombredanne <pombredanne@...b.com>, Thomas Gleixner
> <tglx@...utronix.de>, Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
> "linux-accelerators@...ts.ozlabs.org"
> <linux-accelerators@...ts.ozlabs.org>, Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>
> Subject: RE: [RFCv2 PATCH 0/7] A General Accelerator Framework, WarpDrive
> Message-ID: <AADFC41AFE54684AB9EE6CBC0274A5D191303A7F@...MSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com>
>
> > From: Jerome Glisse
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:52 PM
> >
> [...]
> > AFAIK, on x86 and PPC at least, all PCIE devices are in the same group
> > by default at boot or at least all devices behind the same bridge.
>
> the group thing reflects physical hierarchy limitation, not changed
> cross boot. Please note iommu group defines the minimal isolation
> boundary - all devices within same group must be attached to the
> same iommu domain or address space, because physically IOMMU
> cannot differentiate DMAs out of those devices. devices behind
> legacy PCI-X bridge is one example. other examples include devices
> behind a PCIe switch port which doesn't support ACS thus cannot
> route p2p transaction to IOMMU. If talking about typical PCIe
> endpoint (with upstreaming ports all supporting ACS), you'll get
> one device per group.
>
> One iommu group today is attached to only one iommu domain.
> In the future one group may attach to multiple domains, as the
> aux domain concept being discussed in another thread.
>
> >
> > Maybe they are kernel option to avoid that and userspace init program
> > can definitly re-arrange that base on sysadmin policy).
>
> I don't think there is such option, as it may break isolation model
> enabled by IOMMU.
>
> [...]
> > > > That is why i am being pedantic :) on making sure there is good reasons
> > > > to do what you do inside VFIO. I do believe that we want a common
> > frame-
> > > > work like the one you are proposing but i do not believe it should be
> > > > part of VFIO given the baggages it comes with and that are not relevant
> > > > to the use cases for this kind of devices.
> > >
>
> The purpose of VFIO is clear - the kernel portal for granting generic
> device resource (mmio, irq, etc.) to user space. VFIO doesn't care
> what exactly a resource is used for (queue, cmd reg, etc.). If really
> pursuing VFIO path is necessary, maybe such common framework
> should lay down in user space, which gets all granted resource from
> kernel driver thru VFIO and then provides accelerator services to
> other processes?
Yes. I think this is exactly what WarpDrive is now doing. This patch is just let
the type1 driver use parent IOMMU for mdev.
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
--
-Kenneth(Hisilicon)
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