linux-kernel - Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

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Message-Id: <20180930120909.30469-1-lkcl@lkcl.net>
Date:   Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0100
From:   lkcl@...l.net
To:     martin@...htvoll.de
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

> That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I 
> read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an 
> important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at 
> code :), especially when it is in some humorous way.

 absolutely, and this is one thing that a lot of people are, sadly,
 trained pretty much from birth to be incapable of understanding:
 namely the difference between criticism of the PERSON and criticism
 of the ACTION.

 (1) "YOU are bad! GO STAND IN THE NAUGHTY CORNER!"
 (2) "That was a BAD thing to do!"
 (3) "That hurt my feelings that you did that"

 the first is the way that poorly-trained parents and kindergarten
 teachers talk to children.

 the second is... only marginally better, but it's a start

 the third is how UNICEF trains teachers to treat children as human beings.

> Code quality indeed is important.
> As are human interactions.

 absolutely.  it's not about the code, it's always, *always* about people.
 we just happen to be writing code, but ultimately we are doing so in the
 service of other PEOPLE.

 l.