Date:   Tue, 2 Oct 2018 12:17:58 +0100
From:   Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@....com>
To:     Saravana Kannan <skannan@...eaurora.org>
Cc:     Georgi Djakov <georgi.djakov@...aro.org>,
        Rob Herring <robh@...nel.org>, linux-pm@...r.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 2/8] dt-bindings: Introduce interconnect binding

On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 04:49:32PM -0700, Saravana Kannan wrote:
> On 09/26/2018 07:48 AM, Sudeep Holla wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 05:42:15PM +0300, Georgi Djakov wrote:
> > > Hi Rob,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the comments!
> > > 
> > > On 09/25/2018 09:02 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 05:01:45PM +0300, Georgi Djakov wrote:
> > > > > This binding is intended to represent the relations between the interconnect
> > > > > controllers (providers) and consumer device nodes. It will allow creating links
> > > > > between consumers and interconnect paths (exposed by interconnect providers).
> > > > As I mentioned in person, I want to see other SoC families using this
> > > > before accepting. They don't have to be ready for upstream, but WIP
> > > > patches or even just a "yes, this works for us and we're going to use
> > > > this binding on X".
> > > Other than the 3 Qualcomm SoCs (msm8916, msm8996, sdm845) that are
> > > currently using this binding, there is ongoing work from at least two
> > > other vendors that would be using this same binding. I will check on
> > > what is their progress so far.
> > > 
> > > > Also, I think the QCom GPU use of this should be fully sorted out. Or
> > > > more generically how this fits into OPP binding which seems to be never
> > > > ending extended...
> > > I see this as a further step. It could be OPP binding which include
> > > bandwidth values or some separate DT property. Jordan has already
> > > proposed something, do you have any initial comments on that?
> > I am curious as how this fits into new systems which have firmware driven
> > CPUFreq and other DVFS. I would like to avoid using this in such systems
> > and leave it upto the firmware to scale the bus/interconnect based on the
> > other components that are connected to it and active.
> > 
> 
> You've made the same point multiple times across different patch sets. Not
> all FW can do arbitrary functions. A lot of them are very limited in their
> capabilities. So, as much as you and I would like to let the FW do the work,
> it's not always possible. So, in those cases, we do need to have support for
> the kernel scaling the interconnects correctly. Hopefully this clears up
> your questions about FW capabilities.

Yes, I do understand I have made the same point multiple time and it's
intentional. We need to get the fragmented f/w support story fixed.
Different ARM vendors are doing different things in f/w and ARM sees the
same fragmentation story as before. We have come up with new specification
and my annoying multiple emails are just to constantly remind the same.

I do understand we have existing implementations to consider, but fixing
the functionality in arbitrary way is not a good design and it better
to get them fixed for future.

--
Regards,
Sudeep

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