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Date:   Sat, 6 Oct 2018 07:53:02 +0200
From:   Ulf Magnusson <ulfalizer@...il.com>
To:     "Luis R . Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...nel.org>
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Subject: Re: [ANN] init-kconfig - easy way to embrace Linux's kconfig

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:03 PM Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> Every now and then a project is born, and they decide to use Linux's
> kconfig to enable configuration of their project. As it stands we *know*
> kconfig is now used in at least over 12 different projects [0]. I myself
> added kconfig to one as well years ago. Even research reveals that
> kconfig has become one of the leading industrial variability modeling
> languages [1] [2].
>
> What is often difficult to do though is to start off using kconfig and
> integrating it into a project. Or updating / syncing to the latest
> kconfig from upstream Linux.
>
> I had yet another need to use kconfig for another small project so
> decided to make a clean template others can use and help keep it in sync.
> This is a passive fork which aims to keep in sync with the Linux
> kernel's latest kconfig to make it easier to keep up to date and to
> enable new projects to use and embrace kconfig on their own.  The goal
> is *not* to fork kconfig and evolve it separately, but rather keep in
> sync with the evolution of kconfig on Linux to make it easier for
> projects to use kconfig and also update their own kconfig when needed.
>
> This may also be useful if folks want to test R&D code on a smaller
> compartamentalized codebase.
>
> If you find this useful and you'd like to help keep it in sync, send
> patches my way as the kernel's kconfig evolves. The code is up on
> gitlab).) [3].
>
> Do we want to document this option on Linux in case folks want to try
> and embrace kconfig on their own for other projects?
>
> [0] http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~shshe/kconfig_semantics.pdf
> [1] http://gsd.uwaterloo.ca/sites/default/files/vm-2013-berger.pdf
> [2] http://gsd.uwaterloo.ca/sites/default/files/ase241-berger_0.pdf
> [3] https://gitlab.com/mcgrof/init-kconfig
>
>   Luis

Shameless self-plug:

There's also a Python Kconfig implementation that's starting to get
picked up by several projects: https://github.com/ulfalizer/kconfiglib

It has a terminal menuconfig interface with a lot more features than
mconf (a demonstration is available at
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ulfalizer/Kconfiglib/screenshots/screenshots/menuconfig.gif),
and can also be used e.g. to generate cross-referenced Kconfig
documentation that includes propagated dependencies:
https://docs.zephyrproject.org/latest/reference/kconfig/index.html
(note: heavy page).

Kconfiglib is based around a library (an old version appears in e.g.
U-Boot and Yocto, and a newer version in e.g. Espressif). The
documentation generation is just a script
(https://github.com/zephyrproject-rtos/zephyr/blob/master/doc/scripts/genrest.py),
and the same goes for the menuconfig and the other tools. The core
library takes part of all the trickiness related to evaluating
symbols.

I realize there would probably be massive opposition to adding a
Python dependency to a core part of the kernel, so I'm not going for
that. For most other projects, I think it's a good fit though.

Cheers,
Ulf

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