linux-kernel - Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

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Message-ID: <20181008120236.GD5684@sirena.org.uk>
Date:   Mon, 8 Oct 2018 13:02:36 +0100
From:   Mark Brown <broonie@...nel.org>
To:     Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>
Cc:     Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
        James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        ksummit-discuss@...ts.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list
 of discrimination factors

On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 04:35:14AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false
> > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be
> > allowed.

> > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free
> > experience for everyone", period.

> I would suggest reading the commit message that added this in the first
> place. "Explicit guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects
> and other areas of the kernel." See also various comparisons of codes of
> conduct, which make the same point. The point of this list is precisely
> to serve as one such explicit guideline; removing it would rather defeat
> the purpose.

The Debian code of conduct also omits the explicit list of factors.  In
their case it was a deliberate decision due to a real fear that people
involved in and adjacent to the project would try to rules lawyer an
explict list and wanting to make the code of conduct robust against
that.  The communities seem similar enough that it's worth thinking
about for the kernel as well, Debian has had to deal with some serious
problems in the past so there's some experience behind the decisions
there.

> In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any
> more than it's the place for patches to the GPL.

We do need some way to talk about what we're trying to do here.

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