linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH RFC] doc: rcu: remove obsolete (non-)requirement about disabling preemption

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Message-ID: <20181015021349.GB217384@joelaf.mtv.corp.google.com>
Date:   Sun, 14 Oct 2018 19:13:49 -0700
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
To:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
        Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@...il.com>,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
        Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] doc: rcu: remove obsolete (non-)requirement about
 disabling preemption

On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 07:08:27PM -0700, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 04:17:31PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 02:29:55PM -0700, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > > The Requirements.html document says "Disabling Preemption Does Not Block
> > > Grace Periods". However this is no longer true with the RCU
> > > consolidation. Lets remove the obsolete (non-)requirement entirely.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@...lfernandes.org>
> > 
> > Good catch, queued, thank you!
> 
> Thanks! By the way after I sent the patch, I also tried Oleg's experiment to
> confirm that this is indeed obsolete.  :)
> 
> One thing interesting came up when I tried synchronize_rcu_expedited()
> instead of synchronize_rcu() in Oleg's experiment, I still saw a multiple
> millisecond delay between when the rcu read section completely and the
> synchronize_rcu_expedited returns:
> 
> For example, with synchronize_rcu_expedited, the 'SPIN done' and the 'SYNC
> done' are about 3 millisecond apart:
> [   77.599142] SPIN start
> [   77.601595] SYNC start
> [   82.604950] SPIN done!
> [   82.607836] SYNC done!
>  I saw anywhere from 2-6 milliseconds.
> 
> The reason I bring this up is according to Requirements.html: In some cases,
> the multi-millisecond synchronize_rcu() latencies are unacceptable. In these
> cases, synchronize_rcu_expedited() may be used instead,.. so either I messed
> something up in the experiment, or I need to update this part of the document ;-)

So I realized I'm running in Qemu so it could also be a scheduling delay of
the vcpu thread. So apologies about the noise if the experiment works fine
for you.

thanks,

 - Joel