Date:   Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:10:26 +0800
From:   Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Xu Zaibo <xuzaibo@...wei.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>,
        Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@...dia.com>
Cc:     baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com, kevin.tian@...el.com,
        ashok.raj@...el.com, tiwei.bie@...el.com,
        Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@....com>,
        sanjay.k.kumar@...el.com, iommu@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, yi.y.sun@...el.com,
        jacob.jun.pan@...el.com, kvm@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/8] vfio/mdev: IOMMU aware mediated device

Hi,

On 10/17/18 10:02 AM, Xu Zaibo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 2018/10/16 9:21, Lu Baolu wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/15/2018 04:50 PM, Xu Zaibo wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 2018/10/15 10:48, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 10/13/2018 04:25 PM, Xu Zaibo wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018/10/12 13:16, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mediate Device is a framework for fine-grained physical device
>>>>>> sharing across the isolated domains. Currently the mdev framework
>>>>>> is designed to be independent of the platform IOMMU support. As the
>>>>>> result, the DMA isolation relies on the mdev parent device in a
>>>>>> vendor specific way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several cases where a mediated device could be protected
>>>>>> and isolated by the platform IOMMU. For example, Intel vt-d rev3.0
>>>>>> [1] introduces a new translation mode called 'scalable mode', which
>>>>>> enables PASID-granular translations. The vt-d scalable mode is the
>>>>>> key ingredient for Scalable I/O Virtualization [2] [3] which allows
>>>>>> sharing a device in minimal possible granularity (ADI - Assignable
>>>>>> Device Interface).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A mediated device backed by an ADI could be protected and isolated
>>>>>> by the IOMMU since 1) the parent device supports tagging an unique
>>>>>> PASID to all DMA traffic out of the mediated device; and 2) the DMA
>>>>>> translation unit (IOMMU) supports the PASID granular translation.
>>>>>> We can apply IOMMU protection and isolation to this kind of devices
>>>>>> just as what we are doing with an assignable PCI device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to distinguish the IOMMU-capable mediated devices from those
>>>>>> which still need to rely on parent devices, this patch set adds two
>>>>>> new members in struct mdev_device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * iommu_device
>>>>>>    - This, if set, indicates that the mediated device could
>>>>>>      be fully isolated and protected by IOMMU via attaching
>>>>>>      an iommu domain to this device. If empty, it indicates
>>>>>>      using vendor defined isolation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * iommu_domain
>>>>>>    - This is a place holder for an iommu domain. A domain
>>>>>>      could be store here for later use once it has been
>>>>>>      attached to the iommu_device of this mdev.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below helpers are added to set and get above iommu device
>>>>>> and iommu domain pointers in mdev core implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * mdev_set/get_iommu_device(dev, iommu_device)
>>>>>>    - Set or get the iommu device which represents this mdev
>>>>>>      in IOMMU's device scope. Drivers don't need to set the
>>>>>>      iommu device if it uses vendor defined isolation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * mdev_set/get_iommu_domain(domain)
>>>>>>    - A iommu domain which has been attached to the iommu
>>>>>>      device in order to protect and isolate the mediated
>>>>>>      device will be kept in the mdev data structure and
>>>>>>      could be retrieved later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mdev parent device driver could opt-in that the mdev could be
>>>>>> fully isolated and protected by the IOMMU when the mdev is being
>>>>>> created by invoking mdev_set_iommu_device() in its @create().
>>>>> I just cannot understand here, how to get an iommu_device while I 
>>>>> create mediated
>>>>> device in my parent device driver?
>>>>
>>>> When you are creating an mdev in your parent driver, you should know
>>>> which PCI device this mdev belonging to.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, generally, I can set the parent device as mdev's iommu_device?
>>> If that, however, Mdev already holds its parent device. So, I just 
>>> figure what
>>> differences between Mdev's parent device and iommu_device are.
>>>>>
>>>>> And why not reuse the device of MDEV instread of adding a new 
>>>>> device here?
>>>>
>>>> iommu_device in the mdev_device structure represents the PCI device
>>>> that represents this mdev in iommu's device scope. IOMMU is only aware
>>>> of pci devices, it's not aware of mdev device.
>>>
>>> Could I understand like that: IOMMU can be aware of the parent device 
>>> of Mdev?
>>> And more, I am doubting the necessary of iommu_device in Mdev.
>>>
>>
>> The "mdev parent device" and "mdev iommu device" are different although
>> they might be the same in practice. "mdev parent device" represents the
>> device who created the mdev. "mdev iommu device" represents the device
>> who shares the device context entry in iommu tables.
>>
>> "mdev iommu device" is always a PCI/PCIe device since IOMMU always use
>> source id (bus:dev:func) to walk the device context table. But there is
>> no limitation on who can create an mdev, right?
>>
> Actually, I am not sure.
> 
> My understanding:
> The DMA address will be issued by the parent device with PASID or 
> something like that to IOMMU
> facilities. However, the translation units such as iommu （PASID/page 
> .etx）tables are from another
> device node.  I cannot figure out how to control this in hardware level, 
> or whether there will be
> conflicts between the DMA transation of iommu_device and parent device.


Yes. That's the reason why these two devices are same in practice. But
conceptually, they might be different.

Best regards,
Lu Baolu

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