linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 07/10] staging: erofs: separate into init

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Message-ID: <7a8ad8ce-1764-2baa-d9a3-e8bfae83d61a@huawei.com>
Date:   Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:59:23 +0800
From:   Gao Xiang <gaoxiang25@...wei.com>
To:     Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
CC:     <devel@...verdev.osuosl.org>, <weidu.du@...wei.com>,
        Miao Xie <miaoxie@...wei.com>, <linux-erofs@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/10] staging: erofs: separate into init_once / always

Hi Greg,

On 2018/11/22 21:23, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 09:01:31PM +0800, Gao Xiang wrote:
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> On 2018/11/22 20:00, Gao Xiang wrote:
>>> Hi Greg,
>>>
>>> On 2018/11/22 19:26, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>>>> Don't make people rebuild your code with different options for
>>>> debugging.  That will never work in the 'real world' when people start
>>>> using the code.  You need to have things enabled for people all the
>>>> time, which is why we have dynamic debugging in the kernel now, and not
>>>> a zillion different "DRIVER_DEBUG" build options anymore.
>>> Actually, current erofs handle differently for beta users (in eng mode)
>>> and commercial users.
>>>
>>> CONFIG_EROFS_FS_DEBUG is enable for all beta users, after an observed
>>> expression is false, we could get the whole memorydump as early as possible.
>>> But for commercial users, there are no such observing points to promise
>>> the kernel stability and performance.
>>>
>>> It has helped us to find several bug, and I cannot find some alternative way
>>> to get the the first scene of the accident...
>>
>> I'm about to send v2 of this patchset... I need to get your opinion...
>>
>> I think for the current erofs development state, I tend to leave such a
>> developping switch because the code could be modified frequently,
>> many potential bugs could be avoid when this debugging mode is on and
>> it will be dropped after erofs becomes more stable...
> 
> You have two competing issues here.  You need to have some sort of debug
> build that allows you to get feedback from users, and you need to
> provide a solid, reliable system for those not wanting to debug
> anything.

Yes, you are right :)

> 
> If you use a kernel build option, then you can do what you are doing
> now, just that do not expect for any user that has problems with the
> filesystem, they will rebuild the code just to try to help debug it.
> That is going to require run-time debugging to be enabled as they will
> not usually have built their own kernel/module at all.

Yes, actually the current Android system have 2 modes -- eng and commerical build
for all versions.

A large number of beta users will receive eng build, and many buges were observed
from these users. That is the debugging benefit what Android system does now.

I do not expect real users to rebuild kernels for debugging, I think after the Android
use case, erofs has become solid enough. For commerical builds, it will have enough
error handing case found by Android users and developers.

> 
> For now, keep doing what you are doing, I just started to worry when I
> saw the initial BUG_ON() as we had just talked about these at the
> Maintainers summit a few weeks ago, and how we need to get rid of them
> from the kernel as they are a crutch that we need to solve.

Thanks for understanding...

Thanks,
Gao Xiang

> 
> thanks, and sorry for the noise.  Please resend this series again,
> 
> greg k-h
>