linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] ptrace: save the type of syscall-stop in ptrace

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Message-ID: <20181129103436.GA11547@altlinux.org>
Date:   Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:34:36 +0300
From:   "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@...linux.org>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
Cc:     Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
        Elvira Khabirova <lineprinter@...linux.org>,
        Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@...hat.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, strace-devel@...ts.strace.io
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] ptrace: save the type of syscall-stop in
 ptrace_message

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:17:49PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 2:11 PM Dmitry V. Levin <ldv@...linux.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 06:23:46PM +0300, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 03:20:06PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > > On 11/28, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 02:49:14PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > > > > On 11/28, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +/*
> > > > > > > + * These values are stored in task->ptrace_message by tracehook_report_syscall_*
> > > > > > > + * to describe current syscall-stop.
> > > > > > > + *
> > > > > > > + * Values for these constants are chosen so that they do not appear
> > > > > > > + * in task->ptrace_message by other means.
> > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > +#define PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_ENTRY        0x80000000U
> > > > > > > +#define PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_EXIT 0x90000000U
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, I do not really understand the comment... Why should we care about
> > > > > > "do not appear in task->ptrace_message by other means" ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2/2 should detect ptrace_report_syscall() case correctly, so we can use any
> > > > > > numbers, say, 1 and 2?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If debugger does PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG it should know how to interpet the value
> > > > > > anyway after wait(status).
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that without this patch the value returned by PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG
> > > > > during syscall stop is undefined, we need two different ptrace_message
> > > > > values that cannot be set by other ptrace events to enable reliable
> > > > > identification of syscall-enter-stop and syscall-exit-stop in userspace:
> > > > > if we make PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG return 0 or any other value routinely set by
> > > > > other ptrace events, it would be hard for userspace to find out whether
> > > > > the kernel implements new semantics or not.
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, why? Debugger can just do ptrace(PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO, NULL), if it
> > > > returns EIO then it is not implemented?
> > >
> > > The debugger that uses PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO does not need to call
> > > PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG for syscall stops.
> > > My concern here is the PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG interface itself.  If we use
> > > ptrace_message to implement PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO and expose
> > > PTRACE_EVENTMSG_SYSCALL_{ENTRY,EXIT} for regular PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG users,
> > > it should have clear semantics.
> >
> > Since our implementation of PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO uses ptrace_message
> > to distinguish syscall-enter-stop from syscall-exit-stop, we could choose
> > one of the following approaches:
> >
> > 1. Do not document the values saved into ptrace_message during syscall
> > stops (and exposed via PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG) as a part of ptrace API,
> > leaving the value returned by PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG during syscall stops
> > as undefined.
> >
> > 2. Document these values chosen to avoid collisions with ptrace_message values
> > set by other ptrace events so that PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG users can easily tell
> > whether this new semantics is supported by the kernel or not.
> 
> I don't like any of this at all.  Can we please choose a sensible API
> design and let the API drive the implementation instead of vice versa?

What are your concerns?  Do you see something wrong in exposing this
information via PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG?

Anyway, can we agree on the PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO API, please?

>  ISTM the correct solution is to add some new state to task_struct for
> this.
> 
> If we're concerned about making task_struct bigger, I have a
> half-finished patch to factor all the ptrace tracee state into a
> separate struct.

This is refactoring of the kernel - a thing userspace people are not
the best equipped to do.  This part should rather be sorted out by kernel
people.


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