linux-kernel - Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support?

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Message-ID: <875zvwibbp.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com>
Date:   Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:42:34 +0100
From:   Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com>
To:     Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org>
Cc:     Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, tg@...bsd.de,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Mike Frysinger <vapier@...too.org>,
        "H. J. Lu" <hjl.tools@...il.com>, x32@...ldd.debian.org,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
Subject: Re: Can we drop upstream Linux x32 support?

* Rich Felker:

> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Rich Felker:
>> 
>> >> If the compiler can handle the zeroing, that would be great, though not
>> >> sure how (some __attribute__((zero)) which generates a type constructor
>> >> for such structure; it kind of departs from what the C language offers).
>> >
>> > The compiler fundamentally can't. At the very least it would require
>> > effective type tracking, which requires shadow memory and is even more
>> > controversial than -fstrict-aliasing (because in a sense it's a
>> > stronger version thereof).
>> 
>> It's possible to do it with the right types.  See _Bool on 32-bit Darwin
>> PowerPC for an example, which is four bytes instead of the usual one.
>> 
>> Similarly, we could have integer types with trap representations.
>> Whether it is a good idea is a different matter, but the amount of
>> compiler magic required is actually limited.
>
> If you do this you just have LP64 with value range restricted to
> 32-bit.

You have to a type different from long int for the relevant struct
fields.  This type would have zero padding.

Florian