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Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1901052016250.16954@cbobk.fhfr.pm>
Date:   Sat, 5 Jan 2019 20:24:03 +0100 (CET)
From:   Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>
To:     Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/mincore: allow for making sys_mincore() privileged

On Sat, 5 Jan 2019, Vlastimil Babka wrote:

> > There are possibilities [1] how mincore() could be used as a converyor of 
> > a sidechannel information about pagecache metadata.
> > 
> > Provide vm.mincore_privileged sysctl, which makes it possible to mincore() 
> > start returning -EPERM in case it's invoked by a process lacking 
> > CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
> 
> Haven't checked the details yet, but wouldn't it be safe if anonymous private
> mincore() kept working, and restrictions were applied only to page cache?

I was considering that, but then I decided not to do so, as that'd make 
the interface even more confusing and semantics non-obvious in the 
'privileged' case.

> > The default behavior stays "mincore() can be used by anybody" in order to 
> > be conservative with respect to userspace behavior.
> 
> What if we lied instead of returned -EPERM, to not break userspace so 
> obviously? I guess false positive would be the safer lie?

So your proposal basically would be

if (privileged && !CAP_SYS_ADMIN)
	if (pagecache)
		return false;
	else
		return do_mincore()

right ?

I think userspace would hate us for that semantics, but on the other hand 
I can sort of understand the 'mincore() is racy anyway, so what' argument, 
if that's what you are suggesting.

But then, I have no idea what userspace is using mincore() for. 
https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=mincore might provide some insight 
I guess (thanks Matthew).

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs