linux-kernel - Re: seqcount usage in xt_replace

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Message-ID: <CACT4Y+YZ-bOFM_vHN5GiE5Yh=qqGjO_cgsJD4cnNyupOd6-A-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:53:28 +0100
From:   Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
        Anatol Pomozov <anatol.pomozov@...il.com>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: seqcount usage in xt_replace_table()

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 1:41 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 11:37:46PM +0100, Florian Westphal wrote:
> > Anatol Pomozov <anatol.pomozov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > Or maybe xt_replace_table() can be enhanced? When I hear that
> > > something waits until an event happens on all CPUs I think about
> > > wait_event() function. Would it be better for xt_replace_table() to
> > > introduce an atomic counter that is decremented by CPUs, and the main
> > > CPU waits until the counter gets zero?
> >
> > That would mean placing an additional atomic op into the
> > iptables evaluation path (ipt_do_table and friends).
> >
>
> For:
>
>         /*
>          * Ensure contents of newinfo are visible before assigning to
>          * private.
>          */
>         smp_wmb();
>         table->private = newinfo;
>
> we have:
>
>         smp_store_release(&table->private, newinfo);
>
> But what store does that second smp_wmb() order against? The comment:
>
>         /* make sure all cpus see new ->private value */
>         smp_wmb();
>
> makes no sense what so ever, no smp_*() barrier can provide such
> guarantees.

Do we want WRITE_ONCE here then?
We want it to be compiled to an actual memory access and then it's up
to hardware to make it visible to other CPUs.
smp_wmb should most likely have this as a side effect too, but
somewhat indirect.
Also race-detector-friendly.


> > Only alternative I see that might work is synchronize_rcu (the
> > _do_table functions are called with rcu read lock held).
> >
> > I guess current scheme is cheaper though.
>
> Is performance a concern in this path? There is no comment justifying
> this 'creative' stuff.
>