Date:   Mon, 28 Jan 2019 06:04:53 +0000
From:   Naga Sureshkumar Relli <nagasure@...inx.com>
To:     Naga Sureshkumar Relli <nagasure@...inx.com>,
        Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@...tlin.com>
CC:     "robh@...nel.org" <robh@...nel.org>,
        "marek.vasut@...il.com" <marek.vasut@...il.com>,
        "richard@....at" <richard@....at>,
        "martin.lund@...p-it-simple.com" <martin.lund@...p-it-simple.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...tlin.com>,
        "linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "nagasuresh12@...il.com" <nagasuresh12@...il.com>,
        Michal Simek <michals@...inx.com>,
        "computersforpeace@...il.com" <computersforpeace@...il.com>,
        "dwmw2@...radead.org" <dwmw2@...radead.org>
Subject: RE: [LINUX PATCH v12 3/3] mtd: rawnand: arasan: Add support for
 Arasan NAND Flash Controller

Hi Boris & Miquel,

Could you please provide your thoughts on this driver to support HW-ECC?
As I said previously, there is no way to detect errors beyond N bit.
I am ok to update the driver based on your inputs.

Thanks,
Naga Sureshkumar Relli

> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-mtd [mailto:linux-mtd-bounces@...ts.infradead.org] On Behalf Of Naga
> Sureshkumar Relli
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:06 PM
> To: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@...tlin.com>
> Cc: robh@...nel.org; marek.vasut@...il.com; richard@....at; martin.lund@...p-it-
> simple.com; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...tlin.com>;
> linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org; nagasuresh12@...il.com; Michal Simek
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> Subject: RE: [LINUX PATCH v12 3/3] mtd: rawnand: arasan: Add support for Arasan
> NAND Flash Controller
> 
> Hi Miquel,
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Miquel Raynal [mailto:miquel.raynal@...tlin.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 7:57 PM
> > To: Naga Sureshkumar Relli <nagasure@...inx.com>
> > Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...tlin.com>; robh@...nel.org;
> > richard@....at; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; marek.vasut@...il.com;
> > linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org; nagasuresh12@...il.com; Michal Simek
> > <michals@...inx.com>; computersforpeace@...il.com;
> > dwmw2@...radead.org; martin.lund@...p-it-simple.com
> > Subject: Re: [LINUX PATCH v12 3/3] mtd: rawnand: arasan: Add support
> > for Arasan NAND Flash Controller
> >
> > Hi Naga,
> >
> > + Martin
> >
> > Naga Sureshkumar Relli <nagasure@...inx.com> wrote on Tue, 18 Dec 2018
> > 05:33:53 +0000:
> >
> > > Hi Miquel,
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Miquel Raynal [mailto:miquel.raynal@...tlin.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 10:11 PM
> > > > To: Naga Sureshkumar Relli <nagasure@...inx.com>
> > > > Cc: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@...tlin.com>;
> > > > robh@...nel.org; richard@....at; linux- kernel@...r.kernel.org;
> > > > marek.vasut@...il.com; linux-mtd@...ts.infradead.org;
> > > > nagasuresh12@...il.com; Michal Simek <michals@...inx.com>;
> > > > computersforpeace@...il.com; dwmw2@...radead.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [LINUX PATCH v12 3/3] mtd: rawnand: arasan: Add
> > > > support for Arasan NAND Flash Controller
> > > >
> > > > Hi Naga,
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > > Inserted biterror @ 48/7
> > > > > Successfully corrected 25 bit errors per subpage Inserted
> > > > > biterror @
> > > > > 50/7 ECC failure, invalid data despite read success
> > > > > root@...inx-zc1751-dc2-2018_1:~#
> > > > >
> > > > > But even in this case also, driver is saying ECC failure but read success.
> > > > > That means controller is able to detect errors on read page up to 24 bit only.
> > > > > After that there is no way to say to the upper layers that the
> > > > > page is bad because of the
> > > > limitation in the controller.
> > > >
> > > > This is more than a "limitation", the design is broken. I am not
> > > > sure how to support such controller, and I am not sure if we even want to.
> > >
> > > The number of errors that are correctable is limited by a parameter
> > > 't'(total number of errors), If there is a condition that the number
> > > of errors greater than 't',
> > then the controller won't be able to detect that.
> > > I guess this concept is same for other controllers as well.
> > > In Arasan it is limited to 24-bit.
> > >
> > > Even, in case of Hamming, it is 1-bit error correction and 2-bit error detection.
> > > What will happen if there are multiple errors(greater than 2-bit)?
> >
> > Ok let's use the Hamming comparison in your ECC engine case.
> >
> > -> hamming:
> >  * 0 bf: everything is fine
> >  * 1 bf: will be detected, corrected, signaled
> >  * 2 bf: will be detected, not corrected, signaled
> >  * 3+ bf: don't care
> >
> > -> BCH:
> >  * 0 bf: everything is fine
> >  * 1-24 bf: will be detected, corrected, signaled
> >  * 25 bf: everything is fine
> >  * 26+ bf: don't care
> >
> > Do you see the problem?
> No.
> >
> > In the 25 bf case, the controller is reporting that everything went
> > fine while it should report that it detected an uncorrectable situation.
> >
> > Here are two leads to solve this issue, please investigate them both:
> > 1/ Talk to your colleagues that developed the RTL, ask if there is a
> >    hidden/reserved bit for that purpose that is not documented.
> I spoke to RTL guys, there is nothing hidden/reserved bit for this purpose.
> I tried reading the status registers reserved bits, but they are raz(read as zero)
> 
> > 2/ Search for a status in the registers that might indicate that an
> >    error occurred, for instance "0 bf corrected" and "bf have been
> >    detected".
> I tried reading status registers and other registers as well, but no luck.
> >
> > NB: I know that, with a BCH ECC engine, error detection at (strength +
> > 1) is not 100% sure but statistically it will almost always be
> > detected and in this case we need the controller to warn the user!
> Ok, I understood now.
> 
> Thanks,
> Naga Sureshkumar Relli
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Miquèl
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