linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/filemap: initiate readahead even if IOCB

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Message-ID: <87imy5f6ir.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com>
Date:   Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:47:24 +0100
From:   Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com>
To:     Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>
Cc:     Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-api@...r.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        Dominique Martinet <asmadeus@...ewreck.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>,
        Kevin Easton <kevin@...rana.org>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@...e.cz>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
        "Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@...temov.name>,
        Daniel Gruss <daniel@...ss.cc>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/filemap: initiate readahead even if IOCB_NOWAIT is set for the I/O

* Jiri Kosina:

> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> > preadv2(RWF_NOWAIT) can be used to open a side-channel to pagecache
>> > contents, as it reveals metadata about residency of pages in
>> > pagecache.
>> >
>> > If preadv2(RWF_NOWAIT) returns immediately, it provides a clear "page
>> > not resident" information, and vice versa.
>> >
>> > Close that sidechannel by always initiating readahead on the cache if
>> > we encounter a cache miss for preadv2(RWF_NOWAIT); with that in place,
>> > probing the pagecache residency itself will actually populate the
>> > cache, making the sidechannel useless.
>> 
>> I think this needs to use a different flag because the semantics are so
>> much different.  If I understand this change correctly, previously,
>> RWF_NOWAIT essentially avoided any I/O, and now it does not.
>
> It still avoid synchronous I/O, due to this code still being in place:
>
>                 if (!PageUptodate(page)) {
>                         if (iocb->ki_flags & IOCB_NOWAIT) {
>                                 put_page(page);
>                                 goto would_block;
>                         }
>
> but goes the would_block path only after initiating asynchronous 
> readahead.

But it wouldn't schedule asynchronous readahead before?

I'm worried that something, say PostgreSQL doing a sequential scan,
would implement a two-pass approach, first using RWF_NOWAIT to process
what's in the kernel page cache, and then read the rest without it.  If
RWF_NOWAIT is treated as a prefetch hint, there could be much more read
activity, and a lot of it would be pointless because the data might have
to be evicted before userspace can use it.

Thanks,
Florian