Message-ID: <BF485558-C29E-4F25-84B5-4C6C80BDF337@gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 13 Feb 2019 20:49:39 -0800
From:   Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
To:     Ivan Khoronzhuk <ivan.khoronzhuk@...aro.org>, davem@...emloft.net,
        linux-omap@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, jiri@...lanox.com, andrew@...n.ch
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 2/5] net: 8021q: vlan_dev: add vid tag for uc and mc address lists



On February 13, 2019 8:17:16 AM PST, Ivan Khoronzhuk <ivan.khoronzhuk@...aro.org> wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 03:12:41PM +0200, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 03:37:41PM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>>>On 12/4/18 3:42 PM, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>>>On Tue, Dec 04, 2018 at 11:49:27AM -0800, Florian Fainelli wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>
>>>Ivan, based on the recent submission I copied you on [1], it sounds
>like
>>>we want to move ahead with your proposal to extend netdev_hw_addr
>with a
>>>vid member.
>>>
>>>On second thought, your approach is good and if we enclose the vid
>>>member within an #if IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_VLAN)8021Q) we should be good
>for
>>>most foreseeable use cases, if not, we can always introduce a
>variable
>>>size/defined context in the future.
>>>
>>>Can you resubmit this patch series as non-RFC in the next few days so
>I
>>>can also repost mine [1] and take advantage of these changes for
>>>multicast over VLAN when VLAN filtering is globally enabled on the
>device.
>>>
>>>[1]: https://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg544722.html
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>
>>Yes, sure. I can start to do that in several days.
>>Just a little busy right now.
>>
>>Just before doing this, maybe some comments could be added as it has
>more
>>attention now. Meanwhile I can send alternative variant but based on
>>real dev splitting addresses between vlans. In this approach it leaves
>address
>>space w/o vid extension but requires more changes to vlan core.
>Drawback here
>>that to change one address alg traverses all related vlan addresses,
>it can be
>>cpu/time wasteful, if it's done regularly, but saves memory....
>>
>>Basically it's implemented locally in cpsw and requires more changes
>to move
>>it as some vlan core auxiliary functions to be reused. But it can work
>only
>>with vlans directly on top of real dev, which is fixable.
>>
>>Core function here:
>>__hw_addr_ref_sync_dev
>>it is called only for address the link of which was
>increased/decreased, thus
>>update made only on one address, comparing it for every vlan dev.
>>
>>It was added with this patch:
>>[1] net: core: dev_addr_lists: add auxiliary func to handle reference 
>>address update e7946760de5852f32
>>
>>And used by this patch:
>>[2] net: ethernet: ti: cpsw: fix vlan mcast 15180eca569bfe1d4d
>>
>>So, idea is to move [2] to be vlan core auxiliary function to be
>reused
>>by NIC drivers.
>>
>>But potentially it can bring a little more changes I assume:
>>
>>1) add priv_flag |= IFF_IV_FLT (independent vlan filtering). It allows
>to reuse
>>this flag for farther changes, probably for per vlan allmulti or so.
>>
>>2) real dev has to have complete list for vlans, not only their vids,
>but also
>>all vlandevs in device chain above it. So changes in add_vid can be
>required.
>>Vlan core can assign vlan dev pointer to real device only after it's
>completely
>>initialized. And for propagation reasons it requires every device in
>>infrastructure to be aware. That seems doable, but depends not only on
>me.
>>
>>3) Move code from [2] to be auxiliary vlan core API for setting mc and
>uc.
>>>From this patch only one function is cpsw specific: cpsw_set_mc(). The
>rest can
>>be applicable on every NIC supporting IFF_IV_FLT.
>>
>>4) Move code from link below to do the same but for uc addresses:
>>https://git.linaro.org/people/ivan.khoronzhuk/tsn_kernel.git/commit/?h=ucast_vlan_fix&id=ebc88a7d8758759322d9ff88f25f8bac51ce7219
>>here only one func cpsw specific: cpsw_set_uc()
>>the rest can be generic.
>>
>>As third alternative, we can think about how to reduce memory for
>addresses by
>>reusing them or else, but this is as continuation of addr+vid
>approach, and API
>>probably would be the same.
>>
>>Then all this can be compared for proper decision.
>
>
>Hi Florian,
>
>After several more investigations and tries probably better left this
>idea as is.

Thank you for keeping the thread alive, does that mean you are going to resubmit this patch series as-is (rebased) or are you saying that you are abandoning the idea and leaving the situation the way it is in cpsw?

>
>Here actually several explanations for this:
>1) If even assume that we can get access to vlan devices in the above
>ndev
>tree (we can) that doesn't guarantee that receive vlan filters are set
>replicating this structure. For example bond device can have one active
>slave
>but both of them in the tree having vid set, in this case addresses are
>syched only with active slave, no filters should be applied to not
>active slave.
>this can be achieved only each address has vid context.
>
>2) According to 1) rx filters device structure can be created while
>mc_sync()
>in each rx_mode(), and then used as orthogonal info. I've tried and it
>looks
>not cool and consumes anyway memory and even if it's less it's still
>not very
>scalable. (+ no normal signal "in complex structure case" when address
>should
>be undated to avoid redundant cpu cycles). Not sure it can have
>practical
>results and be universal enouph.
>
>3) Assuming that every device in the tree (bond, team or else) is legal
>to
>modify its own address space, the real end device cannot be sure the
>vlan device
>address spaces reflects vid addresses that device tree want's from him.
>According to this each address in address space must hold its own
>context at
>every device and this context is comparable with address size.
>
>>-- Regards,
>>Ivan Khoronzhuk

-- 
Florian

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