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Date:   Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:48:00 -0500
From:   Rich Felker <>
Cc:     Mathieu Desnoyers <>,
        "Paul E. McKenney" <>,
        Peter Zijlstra <>,
        Ingo Molnar <>,
        Alexander Viro <>
Subject: Regression in SYS_membarrier expedited

commit a961e40917fb14614d368d8bc9782ca4d6a8cd11 made it so that the
MEMBARRIER_CMD_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED command cannot be used without first
registering intent to use it. However, registration is an expensive
operation since commit 3ccfebedd8cf54e291c809c838d8ad5cc00f5688, which
added synchronize_sched() to it; this means it's no longer possible to
lazily register intent at first use, and it's unreasonably expensive
to preemptively register intent for possibly extremely-short-lived
processes that will never use it. (My usage case is in libc (musl),
where I can't know if the process will be short- or long-lived;
unnecessary and potentially expensive syscalls can't be made
preemptively, only lazily at first use.)

Can we restore the functionality of MEMBARRIER_CMD_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED
to work even without registration? The motivation of requiring
registration seems to be:

    "Registering at this time removes the need to interrupt each and
    every thread in that process at the first expedited
    sys_membarrier() system call."

but interrupting every thread in the process is exactly what I expect,
and is not a problem. What does seem like a big problem is waiting for
synchronize_sched() to synchronize with an unboundedly large number of
cores (vs only a few threads in the process), especially in the
presence of full_nohz, where it seems like latency would be at least a
few ms and possibly unbounded.

Short of a working SYS_membarrier that doesn't require expensive
pre-registration, I'm stuck just implementing it in userspace with


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