Message-ID: <20190219124808.GG8501@fuggles.cambridge.arm.com>
Date:   Tue, 19 Feb 2019 12:48:08 +0000
From:   Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Julien Thierry <julien.thierry@....com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org, mingo@...hat.com,
        catalin.marinas@....com, james.morse@....com,
        valentin.schneider@....com, brgerst@...il.com, jpoimboe@...hat.com,
        luto@...nel.org, bp@...en8.de, dvlasenk@...hat.com,
        torvalds@...ux-foundation.org, tglx@...utronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/x86: Save [ER]FLAGS on context switch

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:04:09AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 02:30:21PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > On 2/16/19 2:30 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 08:06:56PM -0800, hpa@...or.com wrote:
> > >> This implies we invoke schedule -- a restricted operation (consider
> > >> may_sleep) during execution of STAC-enabled code, but *not* as an
> > >> exception or interrupt, since those preserve the flags.
> > > 
> > > Meet preempt_enable().
> > 
> > I believe this falls under "doctor, it hurts when I do that." And it hurts for
> > very good reasons. See below.
> 
> I disagree; the basic rule is that if you're preemptible you must also
> be able to schedule and vice-versa. These AC regions violate this.
> 
> And, like illustrated, it is _very_ easy to get all sorts inside that AC
> crap.
> 
> > >> I have serious concerns about this. This is more or less saying that
> > >> we have left an unlimited gap and have had AC escape.
> > > 
> > > Yes; by allowing normal C in between STAC and CLAC this is so.
> > > 
> > >> Does *anyone* see a need to allow this? I got a question at LPC from
> > >> someone about this, and what they were trying to do once all the
> > >> layers had been unwound was so far down the wrong track for a root
> > >> problem that actually has a very simple solution.
> > > 
> > > Have you read the rest of the thread?
> > > 
> > > All it takes for this to explode is a call to a C function that has
> > > tracing on it in between the user_access_begin() and user_access_end()
> > > things. That is a _very_ easy thing to do.
> > > 
> > > Heck, GCC is allowed to generate that broken code compiling
> > > lib/strnlen_user.c; it doesn't _have_ to inline do_strnlen_user (esp.
> > > with CONFIG_OPTIMIZE_INLINING), and making that a function call would
> > > get us fentry hooks and ftrace and *BOOM*.
> > > 
> > > (Now, of course, its a static function with a single caller, and GCC
> > > isn't _THAT_ stupid, but it could, if it wanted to)
> > > 
> > > Since the bar is _that_ low for mistakes, I figure we'd better fix it.
> > > 
> > 
> > The question is what "fix it" means. 
> 
> It means that when we do schedule, the next task doesn't have AC set,
> and when we schedule back, we'll restore our AC when we had it. Unlike
> the current situation, where the next task will run with AC set.
> 
> IOW, it confines AC to the task context where it was set.
> 
> > I'm really concerned about AC escapes,
> > and everyone else should be, too.
> 
> Then _that_ should be asserted.
> 
> > For an issue specific to tracing, it would be more appropriate to do the
> > appropriate things in the tracing entry/exit than in schedule. Otherwise, we
> > don't want to silently paper over mistakes which could mean that we run a
> > large portion of the kernel without protection we thought we had.
> > 
> > In that sense, calling schedule() with AC set is in fact a great place to have
> > a WARN() or even BUG(), because such an event really could imply that the
> > kernel has been security compromised.
> 
> It is not specific to tracing, tracing is just one of the most trivial
> and non-obvious ways to make it go splat.
> 
> There's lot of fairly innocent stuff that does preempt_disable() /
> preempt_enable(). And just a warning in schedule() isn't sufficient,
> you'd have to actually trigger a reschedule before you know your code is
> bad.
> 
> And like I said; the invariant is: if you're preemptible you can
> schedule and v.v.
> 
> Now, clearly you don't want to mark these whole regions as !preemptible,
> because then you can also not take faults, but somehow you're not
> worried about the whole fault handler, but you are worried about the
> scheduler ?!? How does that work? The fault handler can touch a _ton_
> more code. Heck, the fault handler can schedule.
> 
> So either pre-fault, and run the whole AC crap with preemption disabled
> and retry, or accept that we have to schedule.

I think you'll still hate this, but could we not disable preemption during
the uaccess-enabled region, re-enabling it on the fault path after we've
toggled uaccess off and disable it again when we return back to the
uaccess-enabled region? Doesn't help with tracing, but it should at least
handle the common case.

Will

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