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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:57:27 -0800
From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>
To: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
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Subject: [PATCH 0/5] [v5] Allow persistent memory to be used like normal RAM
This is a relatively small delta from v4. The review comments seem
to be settling down, so it seems like we should start thinking about
how this might get merged. Are there any objections to taking it in
via the nvdimm tree?
Dan Williams, our intrepid nvdimm maintainer has said he would
appreciate acks on these from relevant folks before merging them.
Reviews/acks on any in the series would be welcome, but the last
two especially are lacking any non-Intel acks:
mm/resource: let walk_system_ram_range() search child resources
dax: "Hotplug" persistent memory for use like normal RAM
Note: these are based on commit b20a7bfc2f9 in:
git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/djbw/nvdimm.git for-5.1/devdax
Changes since v4:
* Update powerpc resource return codes too, not just generic
* Update dev_dax_kmem_remove() comment about resource "leaks"
* Make HMM-related warning in __request_region() use %pR's
* Add GPL export for memory_block_size_bytes() to fix build erroe
* Add a FAQ in the documentation
* Make resource.c hmm output a pr_warn() instead of pr_debug()
* Minor CodingStyle tweaks
* Allow device removal by making dev_dax_kmem_remove() return 0.
Note that although the device goes away, the memory stays
in-use, assigned and reserved.
Changes since v3:
* Move HMM-related resource warning instead of removing it
* Use __request_resource() directly instead of devm.
* Create a separate DAX_PMEM Kconfig option, complete with help text
* Update patch descriptions and cover letter to give a better
overview of use-cases and hardware where this might be useful.
Changes since v2:
* Updates to dev_dax_kmem_probe() in patch 5:
* Reject probes for devices with bad NUMA nodes. Keeps slow
memory from being added to node 0.
* Use raw request_mem_region()
* Add comments about permanent reservation
* use dev_*() instead of printk's
* Add references to nvdimm documentation in descriptions
* Remove unneeded GPL export
* Add Kconfig prompt and help text
Changes since v1:
* Now based on git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/djbw/nvdimm.git
* Use binding/unbinding from "dax bus" code
* Move over to a "dax bus" driver from being an nvdimm driver
--
Persistent memory is cool. But, currently, you have to rewrite
your applications to use it. Wouldn't it be cool if you could
just have it show up in your system like normal RAM and get to
it like a slow blob of memory? Well... have I got the patch
series for you!
== Background / Use Cases ==
Persistent Memory (aka Non-Volatile DIMMs / NVDIMMS) themselves
are described in detail in Documentation/nvdimm/nvdimm.txt.
However, this documentation focuses on actually using them as
storage. This set is focused on using NVDIMMs as DRAM replacement.
This is intended for Intel-style NVDIMMs (aka. Intel Optane DC
persistent memory) NVDIMMs. These DIMMs are physically persistent,
more akin to flash than traditional RAM. They are also expected to
be more cost-effective than using RAM, which is why folks want this
set in the first place.
This set is not intended for RAM-based NVDIMMs. Those are not
cost-effective vs. plain RAM, and this using them here would simply
be a waste. However, if you have a user of a system that does not
care about persistence and wants all the RAM they can get, this
could allow you to use a RAM-based NVDIMM where it would otherwise
go unused.
But, why would you bother with this approach? Intel itself [1]
has announced a hardware feature that does something very similar:
"Memory Mode" which turns DRAM into a cache in front of persistent
memory, which is then as a whole used as normal "RAM"?
Here are a few reasons:
1. The capacity of memory mode is the size of your persistent
memory that you dedicate. DRAM capacity is "lost" because it
is used for cache. With this, you get PMEM+DRAM capacity for
memory.
2. DRAM acts as a cache with memory mode, and caches can lead to
unpredictable latencies. Since memory mode is all-or-nothing
(either all your DRAM is used as cache or none is), your entire
memory space is exposed to these unpredictable latencies. This
solution lets you guarantee DRAM latencies if you need them.
3. The new "tier" of memory is exposed to software. That means
that you can build tiered applications or infrastructure. A
cloud provider could sell cheaper VMs that use more PMEM and
more expensive ones that use DRAM. That's impossible with
memory mode.
Don't take this as criticism of memory mode. Memory mode is
awesome, and doesn't strictly require *any* software changes (we
have software changes proposed for optimizing it though). It has
tons of other advantages over *this* approach. Basically, we
believe that the approach in these patches is complementary to
memory mode and that both can live side-by-side in harmony.
== Patch Set Overview ==
This series adds a new "driver" to which pmem devices can be
attached. Once attached, the memory "owned" by the device is
hot-added to the kernel and managed like any other memory. On
systems with an HMAT (a new ACPI table), each socket (roughly)
will have a separate NUMA node for its persistent memory so
this newly-added memory can be selected by its unique NUMA
node.
== FAQ ==
Q: Will this break my NVDIMMs?
Intel's NVDIMMs were designed with use-cases like this in mind.
Using this feature on that hardware is not expected to affect
its service life. If you have NVDIMMs from other sources, it
would be best to consult your hardware vendor to see if this
kind of use is appropriate.
Q: Will this leave secret data in memory after reboots?
Yes. Data placed in persistent memory will remain there until
it is written again. There are no specific mitigations for
this in the current patch set. However, these kinds of issues
already exist in the kernel. We leave secrets in "free" memory
all the time, and even across kexec-style reboots. The only
difference here is that data can survive power cycles.
The kernel has built-in protections to ensure that sensitive
data is zero'd before being handed out to applications. If
your persistent-memory data was available to an application,
it would almost certainly be a bug with or without this patch
set.
In addition, NVDIMMs have built-in encryption, functionally
similar to the disk passwords present on hard drives. When
available, we suggest configuring NVDIMMs so that they are
locked on any power loss.
Q: What happens if memory errors are encountered?
If encountered at runtime, all the existing DRAM-based memory
error reporting and recovery is used: nothing changes. The
only thing that's different is that the poison can be
persistent across reboots. We suggest using the ndctl utility
to recover these locations for now. Doing this automatically
could be a part of future enabling. But, for now, please do
it from userspace.
== Testing Overview ==
Here's how I set up a system to test this thing:
1. Boot qemu with lots of memory: "-m 4096", for instance
2. Reserve 512MB of physical memory. Reserving a spot a 2GB
physical seems to work: memmap=512M!0x0000000080000000
This will end up looking like a pmem device at boot.
3. When booted, convert fsdax device to "device dax":
ndctl create-namespace -fe namespace0.0 -m dax
4. See patch 5 for instructions on binding the kmem driver
to a device.
5. Now, online the new memory sections. Perhaps:
grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo
for f in `grep -vl online /sys/devices/system/memory/*/state`; do
echo $f: `cat $f`
echo online_movable > $f
grep ^MemTotal /proc/meminfo
done
1. https://itpeernetwork.intel.com/intel-optane-dc-persistent-memory-operating-modes/#gs.RKG7BeIu
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@...el.com>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <zwisler@...nel.org>
Cc: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@...el.com>
Cc: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@....com>
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