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Date:   Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:59:34 -0400
From:   Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@...hat.com>
To:     Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
Cc:     David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
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        Yang Zhang <yang.zhang.wz@...il.com>,
        Rik van Riel <riel@...riel.com>, dodgen@...gle.com,
        Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@...cle.com>,
        dhildenb@...hat.com, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][Patch v9 0/6] KVM: Guest Free Page Hinting

On 3/19/19 1:38 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:04 AM Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@...hat.com> wrote:
>> On 3/19/19 9:33 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 18.03.19 16:57, Nitesh Narayan Lal wrote:
>>>> On 3/14/19 12:58 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:43 AM Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/6/19 1:12 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 01:07:50PM -0500, Nitesh Narayan Lal wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/19 11:09 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 10:50:42AM -0500, Nitesh Narayan Lal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The following patch-set proposes an efficient mechanism for handing freed memory between the guest and the host. It enables the guests with no page cache to rapidly free and reclaims memory to and from the host respectively.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Benefit:
>>>>>>>>>> With this patch-series, in our test-case, executed on a single system and single NUMA node with 15GB memory, we were able to successfully launch 5 guests(each with 5 GB memory) when page hinting was enabled and 3 without it. (Detailed explanation of the test procedure is provided at the bottom under Test - 1).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Changelog in v9:
>>>>>>>>>>    * Guest free page hinting hook is now invoked after a page has been merged in the buddy.
>>>>>>>>>>         * Free pages only with order FREE_PAGE_HINTING_MIN_ORDER(currently defined as MAX_ORDER - 1) are captured.
>>>>>>>>>>    * Removed kthread which was earlier used to perform the scanning, isolation & reporting of free pages.
>>>>>>>>>>    * Pages, captured in the per cpu array are sorted based on the zone numbers. This is to avoid redundancy of acquiring zone locks.
>>>>>>>>>>         * Dynamically allocated space is used to hold the isolated guest free pages.
>>>>>>>>>>         * All the pages are reported asynchronously to the host via virtio driver.
>>>>>>>>>>         * Pages are returned back to the guest buddy free list only when the host response is received.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pending items:
>>>>>>>>>>         * Make sure that the guest free page hinting's current implementation doesn't break hugepages or device assigned guests.
>>>>>>>>>>    * Follow up on VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_PAGE_POISON's device side support. (It is currently missing)
>>>>>>>>>>         * Compare reporting free pages via vring with vhost.
>>>>>>>>>>         * Decide between MADV_DONTNEED and MADV_FREE.
>>>>>>>>>>    * Analyze overall performance impact due to guest free page hinting.
>>>>>>>>>>    * Come up with proper/traceable error-message/logs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tests:
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Use-case - Number of guests we can launch
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    NUMA Nodes = 1 with 15 GB memory
>>>>>>>>>>    Guest Memory = 5 GB
>>>>>>>>>>    Number of cores in guest = 1
>>>>>>>>>>    Workload = test allocation program allocates 4GB memory, touches it via memset and exits.
>>>>>>>>>>    Procedure =
>>>>>>>>>>    The first guest is launched and once its console is up, the test allocation program is executed with 4 GB memory request (Due to this the guest occupies almost 4-5 GB of memory in the host in a system without page hinting). Once this program exits at that time another guest is launched in the host and the same process is followed. We continue launching the guests until a guest gets killed due to low memory condition in the host.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    Results:
>>>>>>>>>>    Without hinting = 3
>>>>>>>>>>    With hinting = 5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Hackbench
>>>>>>>>>>    Guest Memory = 5 GB
>>>>>>>>>>    Number of cores = 4
>>>>>>>>>>    Number of tasks         Time with Hinting       Time without Hinting
>>>>>>>>>>    4000                    19.540                  17.818
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about memhog btw?
>>>>>>>>> Alex reported:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     My testing up till now has consisted of setting up 4 8GB VMs on a system
>>>>>>>>>     with 32GB of memory and 4GB of swap. To stress the memory on the system I
>>>>>>>>>     would run "memhog 8G" sequentially on each of the guests and observe how
>>>>>>>>>     long it took to complete the run. The observed behavior is that on the
>>>>>>>>>     systems with these patches applied in both the guest and on the host I was
>>>>>>>>>     able to complete the test with a time of 5 to 7 seconds per guest. On a
>>>>>>>>>     system without these patches the time ranged from 7 to 49 seconds per
>>>>>>>>>     guest. I am assuming the variability is due to time being spent writing
>>>>>>>>>     pages out to disk in order to free up space for the guest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are the results:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Procedure: 3 Guests of size 5GB is launched on a single NUMA node with
>>>>>>>> total memory of 15GB and no swap. In each of the guest, memhog is run
>>>>>>>> with 5GB. Post-execution of memhog, Host memory usage is monitored by
>>>>>>>> using Free command.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Without Hinting:
>>>>>>>>                  Time of execution    Host used memory
>>>>>>>> Guest 1:        45 seconds            5.4 GB
>>>>>>>> Guest 2:        45 seconds            10 GB
>>>>>>>> Guest 3:        1  minute               15 GB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With Hinting:
>>>>>>>>                 Time of execution     Host used memory
>>>>>>>> Guest 1:        49 seconds            2.4 GB
>>>>>>>> Guest 2:        40 seconds            4.3 GB
>>>>>>>> Guest 3:        50 seconds            6.3 GB
>>>>>>> OK so no improvement. OTOH Alex's patches cut time down to 5-7 seconds
>>>>>>> which seems better. Want to try testing Alex's patches for comparison?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realized that the last time I reported the memhog numbers, I didn't
>>>>>> enable the swap due to which the actual benefits of the series were not
>>>>>> shown.
>>>>>> I have re-run the test by including some of the changes suggested by
>>>>>> Alexander and David:
>>>>>>     * Reduced the size of the per-cpu array to 32 and minimum hinting
>>>>>> threshold to 16.
>>>>>>     * Reported length of isolated pages along with start pfn, instead of
>>>>>> the order from the guest.
>>>>>>     * Used the reported length to madvise the entire length of address
>>>>>> instead of a single 4K page.
>>>>>>     * Replaced MADV_DONTNEED with MADV_FREE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Setup for the test:
>>>>>> NUMA node:1
>>>>>> Memory: 15GB
>>>>>> Swap: 4GB
>>>>>> Guest memory: 6GB
>>>>>> Number of core: 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Process: A guest is launched and memhog is run with 6GB. As its
>>>>>> execution is over next guest is launched. Everytime memhog execution
>>>>>> time is monitored.
>>>>>> Results:
>>>>>>     Without Hinting:
>>>>>>                  Time of execution
>>>>>>     Guest1:    22s
>>>>>>     Guest2:    24s
>>>>>>     Guest3: 1m29s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     With Hinting:
>>>>>>                 Time of execution
>>>>>>     Guest1:    24s
>>>>>>     Guest2:    25s
>>>>>>     Guest3:    28s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When hinting is enabled swap space is not used until memhog with 6GB is
>>>>>> ran in 6th guest.
>>>>> So one change you may want to make to your test setup would be to
>>>>> launch the tests sequentially after all the guests all up, instead of
>>>>> combining the test and guest bring-up. In addition you could run
>>>>> through the guests more than once to determine a more-or-less steady
>>>>> state in terms of the performance as you move between the guests after
>>>>> they have hit the point of having to either swap or pull MADV_FREE
>>>>> pages.
>>>> I tried running memhog as you suggested, here are the results:
>>>> Setup for the test:
>>>> NUMA node:1
>>>> Memory: 15GB
>>>> Swap: 4GB
>>>> Guest memory: 6GB
>>>> Number of core: 1
>>>>
>>>> Process: 3 guests are launched and memhog is run with 6GB. Results are
>>>> monitored after 1st-time execution of memhog. Memhog is launched
>>>> sequentially in each of the guests and time is observed after the
>>>> execution of all 3 memhog is over.
>>>>
>>>> Results:
>>>> Without Hinting
>>>>     Time of Execution
>>>> 1.    6m48s
>>>> 2.    6m9s
>>>>
>>>> With Hinting
>>>> Array size:16 Minimum Threshold:8
>>>> 1.    2m57s
>>>> 2.    2m20s
>>>>
>>>> The memhog execution time in the case of hinting is still not that low
>>>> as we would have expected. This is due to the usage of swap space.
>>>> Although wrt to non-hinting when swap used space is around 3.5G, with
>>>> hinting it remains to around 1.1-1.5G.
>>>> I did try using a zone free page barrier which prevented hinting when
>>>> free pages of order HINTING_ORDER goes below 256. This further brings
>>>> down the swap usage to 100-150 MB. The tricky part of this approach is
>>>> to configure this barrier condition for different guests.
>>>>
>>>> Array size:16 Minimum Threshold:8
>>>> 1.    1m16s
>>>> 2.    1m41s
>>>>
>>>> Note: Memhog time does seem to vary a little bit on every boot with or
>>>> without hinting.
>>>>
>>> I don't quite understand yet why "hinting more pages" (no free page
>>> barrier) should result in a higher swap usage in the hypervisor
>>> (1.1-1.5GB vs. 100-150 MB). If we are "hinting more pages" I would have
>>> guessed that runtime could get slower, but not that we need more swap.
>>>
>>> One theory:
>>>
>>> If you hint all MAX_ORDER - 1 pages, at one point it could be that all
>>> "remaining" free pages are currently isolated to be hinted. As MM needs
>>> more pages for a process, it will fallback to using "MAX_ORDER - 2"
>>> pages and so on. These pages, when they are freed, you won't hint
>>> anymore unless they get merged. But after all they won't get merged
>>> because they can't be merged (otherwise they wouldn't be "MAX_ORDER - 2"
>>> after all right from the beginning).
>>>
>>> Try hinting a smaller granularity to see if this could actually be the case.
>> So I have two questions in my mind after looking at the results now:
>> 1. Why swap is coming into the picture when hinting is enabled?
>> 2. Same to what you have raised.
>> For the 1st question, I think the answer is: (correct me if I am wrong.)
>> Memhog while writing the memory does free memory but the pages it frees
>> are of a lower order which doesn't merge until the memhog write
>> completes. After which we do get the MAX_ORDER - 1 page from the buddy
>> resulting in hinting.
>> As all 3 memhog are running parallelly we don't get free memory until
>> one of them completes.
>> This does explain that when 3 guests each of 6GB on a 15GB host tries to
>> run memhog with 6GB parallelly, swap comes into the picture even if
>> hinting is enabled.
> Are you running them in parallel or sequentially? 
I was running them parallelly but then I realized to see any benefits,
in that case, I should have run less number of guests.
> I had suggested
> running them serially so that the previous one could complete and free
> the memory before the next one allocated memory. In that setup you
> should see the guests still swapping without hints, but with hints the
> guest should free the memory up before the next one starts using it.
Yeah, I just realized this. Thanks for the clarification.
> If you are running them in parallel then you are going to see things
> going to swap because memhog does like what the name implies and it
> will use all of the memory you give it. It isn't until it completes
> that the memory is freed.
>
>> This doesn't explain why putting a barrier or avoid hinting reduced the
>> swap usage. It seems I possibly had a wrong impression of the delaying
>> hinting idea which we discussed.
>> As I was observing the value of the swap at the end of the memhog
>> execution which is logically incorrect. I will re-run the test and
>> observe the highest swap usage during the entire execution of memhog for
>> hinting vs non-hinting.
> So one option you may look at if you are wanting to run the tests in
> parallel would be to limit the number of tests you have running at the
> same time. If you have 15G of memory and 6G per guest you should be
> able to run 2 sessions at a time without going to swap, however if you
> run all 3 then you are likely going to be going to swap even with
> hinting.
>
> - Alex
-- 
Regards
Nitesh



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