Message-ID: <CABPqkBQgmT+V29+eD6_rABzNBCo-R22N3PvPX4rWxSWEC0wPPg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 20 Mar 2019 13:47:28 -0700
From:   Stephane Eranian <eranian@...gle.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, tonyj@...e.com,
        nelson.dsouza@...el.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] perf/x86/intel: Fix memory corruption

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:20 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:52:01AM -0700, Stephane Eranian wrote:
> > > Not quite; the control on its own doesn't directly write the MSR. And
> > > even when the work-around is allowed, we'll not set the MSR unless there
> > > is also demand for PMC3.
> > >
> > Trying to understand this better here. When the workaround is enabled
> > (tfa=0), you lose PMC3 and transactions operate normally.
>
> > When it is disabled (tfa=1), transactions are all aborted and PMC3 is
> > available.
>
> Right, but we don't expose tfa.
>
> > If you are saying that when there is a PMU event requesting PMC3, then
> > you need PMC3 avail, so you set the MSR so that tfa=1 forcing all
> > transactions to abort.
>
> Right, so when allow_tfa=1 (default), we only set tfa=1 when PMC3 is
> requested.
>
> This has the advantage that,
>
>   TSX only workload -> works
>   perf 4 counteres -> works
>
> Only when you need both of them, do you get 'trouble'.
>
> > But in that case, you are modifying the execution of the workload when
> > you are monitoring it, assuming it uses TSX.
>
> We assume you are not in fact using TSX, not a lot of code does. If you
> do use TSX a lot, and you don't want to interfere, you have to set
> allow_tfa=0 and live with one counter less.
>
> Any which way around you turn this stone, it sucks.
>
> > You want lowest overhead and no modifications to how the workload
> > operates, otherwise how representative is the data you are collecting?
>
> Sure; but there are no good choices here. This 'fix' will break
> something. We figured TSX+4-counter-perf was the least common scenario.
>
> We konw of people that rely on 4 counter being present; you want to
> explain to them how when doing an update their program suddently doesn't
> work anymore?
>
> Or you want to default to tfa=1; but then you have to explain to those
> people relying on TSX why their workload stopped working.
>
> > I understand that there is no impact on apps not using TSX, well,
> > except on context switch where you have to toggle that MSR.
>
> There is no additional code in the context switch; only the perf event
> scheduling code prods at the MSR.
>
> > But for workloads using TSX, there is potentially an impact.
>
> Yes, well, if you're a TSX _and_ perf user, you now have an extra knob
> to play with; that's not something I can do anything about. We're forced
> to make a choice here.
>
> > > Yeah, meh. You're admin, you can 'fix' it. In practise I don't expect
> > > most people to care about the knob, and the few people that do, should
> > > be able to make it work.
> >
> > I don't understand how this can work reliably.
>
> > You have a knob to toggle that MSR.
>
> No, we don't have this knob.
>
> > Then, you have another one inside perf_events
>
> Only this knob exists allow_tfa.
>
> > and then the sysadmin has to make sure nobody (incl. NMI watchdog) is
> > using the PMU when this all happens.
>
> You're very unlucky if the watchdog runs on PMC3, normally it runs on
> Fixed1 or something. Esp early after boot. (Remember, we schedule fixed
> counters first, and then general purpose counters, with a preference for
> lower counters).
>
> Anyway, you can trivially switch it off if you want.
>
> > How can this be a practical solution? Am I missing something here?
>
> It works just fine; it is unfortunate that we have this interaction but
> that's not something we can do anything about. We're forced to deal with
> this.
>
Right now, if I do:

echo 0 > /sys/bus/event_source/devices/cpu/allow_tsx_force_abort

Then I don't have the guarantee on when there will be no abort when I
return from the echo.
the MSR is accessed only on PMU scheduling. I would expect a sysadmin
to want some guarantee
if this is to be switched on/off at runtime. If not, then having a
boot time option is better in my opinion.

This other bit I noticed is that cpuc->tfa_shadow is used to avoid the
wrmsr(), but I don't see the
code that makes sure the init value (0) matches the value of the MSR.
Is this MSR guarantee to be
zero on reset? How about on kexec()?

> But if you're a TSX+perf user, have your boot scripts do:
>
>   echo 0 > /sys/bus/event_source/devices/cpu/allow_tsx_force_abort
>
> and you'll not use PMC3 and TSX will be 'awesome'. If you don't give a
> crap about TSX (most people), just boot and be happy.
>
> If you do care about TSX+perf and want to dynamically toggle for some
> reason, you just have to be a little careful.

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