lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Date:   Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:24:49 -0700
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
To:     Christian Brauner <christian@...uner.io>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Sultan Alsawaf <sultan@...neltoast.com>,
        Tim Murray <timmurray@...gle.com>,
        Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@...roid.com>,
        Todd Kjos <tkjos@...roid.com>,
        Martijn Coenen <maco@...roid.com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "open list:ANDROID DRIVERS" <devel@...verdev.osuosl.org>,
        kernel-team <kernel-team@...roid.com>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Jonathan Kowalski <bl0pbl33p@...il.com>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: pidfd design

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 5:12 PM Christian Brauner <christian@...uner.io> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 05:00:17PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 4:45 PM Christian Brauner <christian@...uner.io> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 04:42:14PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:23 PM Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 1:14 PM Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:44 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > One ioctl on procfs roots to translate pidfds into that procfs,
> > > > > > subject to both the normal lookup permission checks and only working
> > > > > > if the pidfd has a translation into the procfs:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > int proc_root_fd = open("/proc", O_RDONLY);
> > > > > > int proc_dir_fd = ioctl(proc_root_fd, PROC_PIDFD_TO_PROCFSFD, pidfd);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And one ioctl on procfs directories to translate from PGIDs and PIDs to pidfds:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > int proc_pgid_fd = open("/proc/self", O_RDONLY);
> > > > > > int self_pg_pidfd = ioctl(proc_pgid_fd, PROC_PROCFSFD_TO_PIDFD, 0);
> > > > > > int proc_pid_fd = open("/proc/thread-self", O_RDONLY);
> > > > > > int self_p_pidfd = ioctl(proc_pid_fd, PROC_PROCFSFD_TO_PIDFD, 0);
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This sounds okay to me.  Or we could make it so that a procfs
> > > > directory fd also works as a pidfd, but that seems more likely to be
> > > > problematic than just allowing two-way translation like this
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And then, as you proposed, the new sys_clone() can just return a
> > > > > > pidfd, and you can convert it into a procfs fd yourself if you want.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that's the consensus we reached on the other thread. The
> > > > > O_DIRECTORY open on /proc/self/fd/mypidfd seems like it'd work well
> > > > > enough.
> > > >
> > > > I must have missed this particular email.
> > > >
> > > > IMO, if /proc/self/fd/mypidfd allows O_DIRECTORY open to work, then it
> > > > really ought to do function just like /proc/self/fd/mypidfd/. and
> > > > /proc/self/fd/mypidfd/status should work.  And these latter two
> > > > options seem nutty.
> > > >
> > > > Also, this O_DIRECTORY thing is missing the entire point of the ioctl
> > > > interface -- it doesn't require procfs access.
> > >
> > > The other option was to encode the pid in the callers pid namespace into
> > > the pidfd's fdinfo so that you can parse it out and open /proc/<pid>.
> > > You'd just need an event on the pidfd to tell you when the process has
> > > died. Jonathan and I just discussed this.
> >
> > From an application developer's POV, the ioctl interface sounds much,
> > much nicer.
>
> Some people are strongly against ioctl()s some don't. I'm not against
> them so both options are fine with me if people can agree.
>

There are certainly non-ioctl equivalents that are functionally
equivalent.  For example, there could be a syscall
procfs_open_pidfd(procfs_fd, pid_fd).  I personally don't really mind
ioctl() when it's really an operation on an fd.

Powered by blists - more mailing lists