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Date:   Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:57:36 +0100
From:   Neil Armstrong <>
To:     Jerome Brunet <>,
        Martin Blumenstingl <>,
        Kevin Hilman <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] pwm: meson: fix scheduling while atomic issue

On 26/03/2019 09:37, Jerome Brunet wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-03-25 at 19:04 +0100, Martin Blumenstingl wrote:
>>> Thanks for fixing this Martin.
>> you're welcome!
>>> As for the future enhancement, I'd like to know what you have in mind.
>>> As I have told you previously, I think the clock bindings of this driver are
>>> not great.
>>> The global name of the input clocks are hard coded in this driver and it
>>> sucks. CCF is evolving to rely less on these global names.
>> I fully agree with you on the clock setup, but I'm not sure if we have
>> to break the dt-bindings for it.
>> the datasheet notes: "Each PWM is driven by a programmable divider
>> driven by a 4:1 clock selector".
>> In my own words this means that each PWM controller has up to 8 clock inputs:
>> - up to 4 inputs for the first channel (PWM_A)
>> - up to 4 inputs for the second channel (PWM_B)
> Not from the pwm device POV. there is one device (PWM_AB) with 4 (max) input
> clocks. Those are consumed by two internal muxes. There would be 8 if the
> input was different between path A and B.

The PWM pair is a imple duplicate of a PWM HW, sharing the same clock parents,
as he driver is already designed, you can only have (for now) only
4 possible parents per pair.

It may change in the future, but for SoC from Meson8 to G12B, it's how it's
designed _now_, no need to discuss an eventual future change.

>> the current pwm-meson driver assumes that both the inputs for both
>> channels are identical.
>> the "clock trees" section of the public S912 datasheet (page 65)
>> clearly documents the clock inputs per PWM channel, not per PWM
>> controller.
>> Thus I believe we should name our clock-names (the inputs to the PWM
>> controller) "pwm-a-clkin0", "pwm-a-clkin1", "pwm-b-clkin0", ...
>> That way we don't have a conflict with the existing bindings (which
>> already reserve "clkin0" and "clkin1").
> I think this is overkill an inaccurate. The experience of all the soc we have
> seen so far (meson8, gxbb, gxl, gxm, axg and g12) confirms the sources the are
> the same input clock for both path.
> The documentation just shows the clock src of each pwm. That just how the the
> table is presented. That does not change the fact the pwms are organized in
> modules (pairs) and the that the clock source are the same for each pwm of the
> module. IOW, there is only 4 lines of clocks getting to the IP, not 8. Feel
> free to ask amlogic if you want to make sure.

Indeed, the possible parents for each pair on PWM is the same, so we would only
need 4 input clocks per PWM pair.

> The name clash is not really my point. The purpose of the clock binding would
> be different (from stating a setting to describing hw connection)
>>> In addition, the 'clock' binding should be used to refer to the clock
>>> 'consumed' by the device, not to define a setting (as done now). 'assigned-
>>> clock' binding can be used for that.
>> using the assigned-clock* properties requires self-referencing the PWM
>> controller (which I'm not used to), for example:
>>   &pwm_ab {
>>       #clock-cells = <1>;
>>       assigned-clocks = <&pwm_ab 0>, <&pwm_ab 1>; /* references itself */
>>       assigned-clock-parents = <&xtal>, <&clkc CLKID_FCLK_DIV5>;
>>   };
>> if we want to auto-detect the parent clock (like you suggested below)
>> we need to consider if we can detect whether a .dts-author assigned a
>> specific parent.
> I (personally) don't want to keep supporting the manual assignment of the
> parent. If the driver can guarantee than it will pick the most appropriate
> parent, there is no reason to have that.
>> I know that it's easy to detect this when the clock is passed in the
>> "clocks" property, but I'm not sure if it's easy to parse it from the
>> assigned-clocks/assigned-clock-parents properties.
> Assigned parent is the poor man solution and not necessarily easier to
> implement (the pwm device would have to export its own clocks) ... I have just
> mentioned it to make  the point that current method is not ideal
>> [...]
>>> Last, instead of specifying the parent to be used, I think we should come up
>>> with some code to let the driver pick the most appropriate parent for the period/duty requested.
>> that will make it easier for .dts authors.
>> I would like to postpone this until we have solved the other topics though.
> I much prefer this last solution. Since the algorithm and the bindings would
> change, I think it would be easier (in DT) to just make v2 driver with a new
> compatible, progressively transition dts to it and finally remove the old
> driver.

I'd prefer this, but to be frank, the parent only determines the precision of
the PWM internal divider to give the most precise period possible.
For this the highest frequency is the best.

But you could also use an input clock with the lowest jitter, and this cannot be
determined automatically.



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