linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] pid: add pidfd

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Message-ID: <20190401194214.4rbvmwogpke3cjcx@brauner.io>
Date:   Mon, 1 Apr 2019 21:42:15 +0200
From:   Christian Brauner <christian@...uner.io>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>
Cc:     Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@...har.com>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Andrew Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@...dex-team.ru>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@...il.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Michael Kerrisk-manpages <mtk.manpages@...il.com>,
        Jonathan Kowalski <bl0pbl33p@...il.com>,
        "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@...linux.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        Nagarathnam Muthusamy <nagarathnam.muthusamy@...cle.com>,
        Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] pid: add pidfd_open()

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 09:01:29AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:55 AM Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I wonder if we really want a fill procfs2, or maybe we could just make
> > > the pidfd readable (yes, it's a directory file descriptor, but we
> > > could allow reading).
> >
> > What would read(2) read?
> 
> We could make it read anything, but it would have to be something
> people agree is sufficient (and not so expensive to create that rare
> users of that data would find the overhead excessive).
> 
> Eg we could make it return the same thing that /proc/<pid>/status
> reads right now.
> 
> But it sounds like you need pretty much all of /proc/<pid>/xyz:

>From what I gather from this thread we are still best of with using fds
to /proc/<pid> as pidfds. Linus, do you agree or have I misunderstood?
Yes, we can have an internal mount option to restrict access to various
parts of procfs from such pidfds or do the parent-less bind-mount trick
but I think this beats having a stunted dummy dirfd that we implement a
read method on.
One thing is that we also need something to disable access to the
"/proc/<pid>/net". One option could be to give the files in "net/" an
->open-handler which checks that our file->f_path.mnt is not one of our
special clone() mounts and if it is refuse the open.

To clarify the way forward:
Jann and I were discussing whether pidfd_open() still makes sense and
whether I shouldn't just jump straight to a first version of
CLONE_PIDFD.
Basically, if you have a system without CONFIG_PROC_FS it makes sense
that clone gives back an anon inode file descriptor as pidfds because
you can still signal threads in a race-free way. But it doesn't make a
lot of sense to have pidfd_open() in this scenario because you can't
really do anything with that pidfd apart from sending signals. And on a
system like that sending a signal is still racy. Since the process can
be recycled between learning the pid number and calling pidfd_open()
[1]. So it only makes sense to have _clone()_ give back anon_inode() fds
on a system without CONFIG_PROC_FS but it doesn't make sense for
pidfd_open() In other news, I think it makes more sense if I jump to the
implementation of CLONE_PIDFD instead of working on pidfd_open().

[1]: The only case - that seems rather far-fetched - where it makes
     sense is when the parent wants to create that pidfd and hand it to
     someone else.

Christian