linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/6] objtool: Add support for Arm64

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Message-ID: <a96b5410-ce2a-2e7c-57ec-4f92fcc1652a@arm.com>
Date:   Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:20:31 +0100
From:   Julien Thierry <julien.thierry@....com>
To:     Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
        Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>
Cc:     Raphael Gault <raphael.gault@....com>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] objtool: Add support for Arm64



On 10/04/2019 04:37, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 10:43:18AM -0700, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 06:53, Raphael Gault <raphael.gault@....com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As of now, objtool only supports the x86_64 architecture but the
>>> groundwork has already been done in order to add support for other
>>> architecture without too much effort.
>>>
>>> This series of patches adds support for the arm64 architecture
>>> based on the Armv8.5 Architecture Reference Manual.
>>>
>>
>> I think it makes sense to clarify *why* we want this on arm64. Also,
>> we should identify things that objtool does today that maybe we don't
>> want on arm64, rather than buy into all of it by default.
> 
> Agreed, the "why" should at least be in the cover letter.  From my
> perspective, the "why" includes:
> 
> - Live patching - objtool stack validation is the foundation for a
>   reliable unwinder
> 

Yes, as I understand Live patching is a work in progress for arm64.
Having objtool to provide more guarantees would be nice.

> - ORC unwinder - benefits include presumed improved overall performance
>   from disabling frame pointers, and the ability to unwind across
>   interrupts and exceptions
> 

I'm unsure this will be part of the plan. I believe so far arm64 code
heavily relies on the presence of frame pointers. It's also part of the
Aarch64 Procedure Call Standard.

But who knows.

> - PeterZ's new uaccess validation?
> 

Yes, we've reverted twice our implementation of user_access_begin/end()
on arm64 because of the issue of potentially calling sleeping functions.

Once we have the base of objtool work, this would be one of the next
work items.

Thanks,

-- 
Julien Thierry