linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm/memcontrol: Finer-grained memory control

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Message-ID: <20190411152415.GA10383@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Date:   Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:24:15 +0200
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
To:     Waiman Long <longman@...hat.com>
Cc:     Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Li Zefan <lizefan@...wei.com>,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@...il.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, cgroups@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Roman Gushchin <guro@...com>,
        Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>,
        Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@...tuozzo.com>,
        Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm/memcontrol: Finer-grained memory control

On Thu 11-04-19 17:19:11, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 11-04-19 10:02:16, Waiman Long wrote:
> > On 04/10/2019 03:54 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Wed 10-04-19 15:13:19, Waiman Long wrote:
> > >> The current control mechanism for memory cgroup v2 lumps all the memory
> > >> together irrespective of the type of memory objects. However, there
> > >> are cases where users may have more concern about one type of memory
> > >> usage than the others.
> > >>
> > >> We have customer request to limit memory consumption on anonymous memory
> > >> only as they said the feature was available in other OSes like Solaris.
> > > Please be more specific about a usecase.
> > 
> > From that customer's point of view, page cache is more like common goods
> > that can typically be shared by a number of different groups. Depending
> > on which groups touch the pages first, it is possible that most of those
> > pages can be disproportionately attributed to one group than the others.
> > Anonymous memory, on the other hand, are not shared and so can more
> > correctly represent the memory footprint of an application. Of course,
> > there are certainly cases where an application can have large private
> > files that can consume a lot of cache pages. These are probably not the
> > case for the applications used by that customer.
> 
> So you are essentially interested in the page cache limiting, right?
> This has been proposed several times already and always rejected because
> this is not a good idea.

OK, so after reading other responses I've realized that I've
misunderstood your intention. You are really interested in the anon
memory limiting. But my objection still holds! I would like to hear much
more specific usecases. Is the page cache such a precious resource it
cannot be refaulted? With the storage speed these days I am quite not
sure. Also there is always way to delegate page cache pre-faulting to a
dedicated cgroup with a low limit protection if _some_ pagecache is
really important.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs