linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 2/2] signal: extend pidfd_send_signal() to allow expedited process killing

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Message-ID: <CAJuCfpHzfci6ztBA_c5=DUnfaLQJTphj1UfckN_LZ7w9qi4kAw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 12 Apr 2019 07:10:08 -0700
From:   Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
        yuzhoujian@...ichuxing.com,
        Souptick Joarder <jrdr.linux@...il.com>,
        Roman Gushchin <guro@...com>,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.sakura.ne.jp>,
        "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>,
        Christian Brauner <christian@...uner.io>,
        Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>,
        Tim Murray <timmurray@...gle.com>,
        Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        lsf-pc@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        kernel-team <kernel-team@...roid.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] signal: extend pidfd_send_signal() to allow expedited
 process killing

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:53 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu 11-04-19 08:33:13, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 06:43:53PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > Add new SS_EXPEDITE flag to be used when sending SIGKILL via
> > > pidfd_send_signal() syscall to allow expedited memory reclaim of the
> > > victim process. The usage of this flag is currently limited to SIGKILL
> > > signal and only to privileged users.
> >
> > What is the downside of doing expedited memory reclaim?  ie why not do it
> > every time a process is going to die?
>
> Well, you are tearing down an address space which might be still in use
> because the task not fully dead yeat. So there are two downsides AFAICS.
> Core dumping which will not see the reaped memory so the resulting
> coredump might be incomplete. And unexpected #PF/gup on the reaped
> memory will result in SIGBUS. These are things that we have closed our
> eyes in the oom context because they likely do not matter. If we want to
> use the same technique for other usecases then we have to think how much
> that matter again.
>

Sorry, resending with corrected settings...
After some internal discussions we realized that there is one
additional downside of doing reaping unconditionally. If this async
reaping is done on a more efficient and energy hungrier CPU
irrespective of urgency of the kill it should end up costing more
power overall (I’m referring here to assimetric architectures like ARM
big.LITTLE). Obviously quantifying that cost is not easy as it depends
on the usecase and a particular system but it won’t be zero. So I
think we will need some gating condition after all.

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> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
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