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Message-Id: <20190419171716.GY14111@linux.ibm.com>
Date:   Fri, 19 Apr 2019 10:17:16 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
To:     Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
Cc:     Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@...rulasolutions.com>,
        LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@...il.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        Daniel Lustig <dlustig@...dia.com>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        Jade Alglave <j.alglave@....ac.uk>,
        Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@...ia.fr>,
        Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        Daniel Kroening <kroening@...ox.ac.uk>,
        Kernel development list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Adding plain accesses and detecting data races in the LKMM

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:34:06AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2019, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 02:53:02AM +0200, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > > > Are you saying that on x86, atomic_inc() acts as a full memory barrier 
> > > > but not as a compiler barrier, and vice versa for 
> > > > smp_mb__after_atomic()?  Or that neither atomic_inc() nor 
> > > > smp_mb__after_atomic() implements a full memory barrier?
> > > 
> > > I'd say the former; AFAICT, these boil down to:
> > > 
> > >   https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.1-rc5/source/arch/x86/include/asm/atomic.h#L95
> > >   https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.1-rc5/source/arch/x86/include/asm/barrier.h#L84
> > 
> > OK, how about the following?
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > commit 19d166dadc4e1bba4b248fb46d32ca4f2d10896b
> > Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
> > Date:   Fri Apr 19 05:20:30 2019 -0700
> > 
> >     tools/memory-model: Make smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() match x86
> >     
> >     Read-modify-write atomic operations that do not return values need not
> >     provide any ordering guarantees, and this means that both the compiler
> >     and the CPU are free to reorder accesses across things like atomic_inc()
> >     and atomic_dec().  The stronger systems such as x86 allow the compiler
> >     to do the reordering, but prevent the CPU from so doing, and these
> >     systems implement smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() as compiler barriers.
> >     The weaker systems such as Power allow both the compiler and the CPU
> >     to reorder accesses across things like atomic_inc() and atomic_dec(),
> >     and implement smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic() as full memory barriers.
> >     
> >     This means that smp_mb__before_atomic() only orders the atomic operation
> >     itself with accesses preceding the smp_mb__before_atomic(), and does
> >     not necessarily provide any ordering whatsoever against accesses
> >     folowing the atomic operation.  Similarly, smp_mb__after_atomic()
> >     only orders the atomic operation itself with accesses following the
> >     smp_mb__after_atomic(), and does not necessarily provide any ordering
> >     whatsoever against accesses preceding the atomic operation.  Full ordering
> >     therefore requires both an smp_mb__before_atomic() before the atomic
> >     operation and an smp_mb__after_atomic() after the atomic operation.
> >     
> >     Therefore, linux-kernel.cat's current model of Before-atomic
> >     and After-atomic is too strong, as it guarantees ordering of
> >     accesses on the other side of the atomic operation from the
> >     smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic().  This commit therefore weakens
> >     the guarantee to match the semantics called out above.
> >     
> >     Reported-by: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@...rulasolutions.com>
> >     Suggested-by: Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
> >     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > index 169d938c0b53..e5b97c3e8e39 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > @@ -1888,7 +1888,37 @@ There are some more advanced barrier functions:
> >  	atomic_dec(&obj->ref_count);
> >  
> >       This makes sure that the death mark on the object is perceived to be set
> > -     *before* the reference counter is decremented.
> > +     *before* the reference counter is decremented.  However, please note
> > +     that smp_mb__before_atomic()'s ordering guarantee does not necessarily
> > +     extend beyond the atomic operation.  For example:
> > +
> > +	obj->dead = 1;
> > +	smp_mb__before_atomic();
> > +	atomic_dec(&obj->ref_count);
> > +	r1 = a;
> > +
> > +     Here the store to obj->dead is not guaranteed to be ordered with
> > +     with the load from a.  This reordering can happen on x86 as follows:
> > +     (1) The compiler can reorder the load from a to precede the
> > +     atomic_dec(), (2) Because x86 smp_mb__before_atomic() is only a
> > +     compiler barrier, the CPU can reorder the preceding store to
> > +     obj->dead with the later load from a.
> > +
> > +     This could be avoided by using READ_ONCE(), which would prevent the
> > +     compiler from reordering due to both atomic_dec() and READ_ONCE()
> > +     being volatile accesses, and is usually preferable for loads from
> > +     shared variables.  However, weakly ordered CPUs would still be
> > +     free to reorder the atomic_dec() with the load from a, so a more
> > +     readable option is to also use smp_mb__after_atomic() as follows:
> > +
> > +	WRITE_ONCE(obj->dead, 1);
> > +	smp_mb__before_atomic();
> > +	atomic_dec(&obj->ref_count);
> > +	smp_mb__after_atomic();
> > +	r1 = READ_ONCE(a);
> > +
> > +     This orders all three accesses against each other, and also makes
> > +     the intent quite clear.
> >  
> >       See Documentation/atomic_{t,bitops}.txt for more information.
> >  
> > diff --git a/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat b/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> > index 8dcb37835b61..b6866f93abb8 100644
> > --- a/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> > +++ b/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> > @@ -28,8 +28,8 @@ include "lock.cat"
> >  let rmb = [R \ Noreturn] ; fencerel(Rmb) ; [R \ Noreturn]
> >  let wmb = [W] ; fencerel(Wmb) ; [W]
> >  let mb = ([M] ; fencerel(Mb) ; [M]) |
> > -	([M] ; fencerel(Before-atomic) ; [RMW] ; po? ; [M]) |
> > -	([M] ; po? ; [RMW] ; fencerel(After-atomic) ; [M]) |
> > +	([M] ; fencerel(Before-atomic) ; [RMW]) |
> > +	([RMW] ; fencerel(After-atomic) ; [M]) |
> >  	([M] ; po? ; [LKW] ; fencerel(After-spinlock) ; [M]) |
> >  	([M] ; po ; [UL] ; (co | po) ; [LKW] ;
> >  		fencerel(After-unlock-lock) ; [M])
> 
> Something like the following should also be applied, either as part of 
> the same patch or immediately after.

Please do send a patch!

							Thanx, Paul

> Alan
> 
> 
> Index: usb-devel/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
> ===================================================================
> --- usb-devel.orig/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
> +++ usb-devel/Documentation/atomic_t.txt
> @@ -171,7 +171,10 @@ The barriers:
>    smp_mb__{before,after}_atomic()
>  
>  only apply to the RMW ops and can be used to augment/upgrade the ordering
> -inherent to the used atomic op. These barriers provide a full smp_mb().
> +inherent to the used atomic op. Unlike normal smp_mb() barriers, they order
> +only the RMW op itself against the instructions preceding the
> +smp_mb__before_atomic() or following the smp_mb__after_atomic(); they do
> +not order instructions on the other side of the RMW op at all.
>  
>  These helper barriers exist because architectures have varying implicit
>  ordering on their SMP atomic primitives. For example our TSO architectures
> @@ -195,7 +198,8 @@ Further, while something like:
>    atomic_dec(&X);
>  
>  is a 'typical' RELEASE pattern, the barrier is strictly stronger than
> -a RELEASE. Similarly for something like:
> +a RELEASE because it orders preceding instructions against both the read
> +and write parts of the atomic_dec(). Similarly, something like:
>  
>    atomic_inc(&X);
>    smp_mb__after_atomic();
> @@ -227,7 +231,8 @@ strictly stronger than ACQUIRE. As illus
>  
>  This should not happen; but a hypothetical atomic_inc_acquire() --
>  (void)atomic_fetch_inc_acquire() for instance -- would allow the outcome,
> -since then:
> +because it would not order the W part of the RMW against the following
> +WRITE_ONCE.  Thus:
>  
>    P1			P2
>  
> 

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