linux-kernel - Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call functions

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Message-ID: <20190507111227.1d4268d7@gandalf.local.home>
Date:   Tue, 7 May 2019 11:12:27 -0400
From:   Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
To:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Nicolai Stange <nstange@...e.de>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        "the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@...nel.org>,
        Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>,
        Jiri Kosina <jikos@...nel.org>,
        Miroslav Benes <mbenes@...e.cz>,
        Petr Mladek <pmladek@...e.com>,
        Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@...hat.com>,
        Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>,
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        Nayna Jain <nayna@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@...ionext.com>,
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        <linux-kselftest@...r.kernel.org>, stable <stable@...r.kernel.org>,
        Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2] x86: Allow breakpoints to emulate call
 functions

On Tue, 7 May 2019 07:54:53 -0700
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:

> And honestly, I absolutely despise PeterZ's patch. The notion that we
> should suddenly say that "oh, the i386 kernel stack is odd" after 28
> years of having that standard i386 stack is just crazy. And this:
> 
>  arch/x86/entry/entry_32.S            | 136 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
> ...
>  12 files changed, 323 insertions(+), 140 deletions(-)
> 
> 
> vs this:
> 
>  arch/x86/entry/entry_32.S            |  7 +++-
> ...
>  6 files changed, 120 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
> 
> is still pretty damn conclusive. Not to mention that the simple
> approach had a truly mindbogglingly simple solution with no actual
> subtle changes anywhere else.
> 
> So I still claim that we should do my patch. Because it is SIMPLE.
> It's straightforward, and I can explain every single line in it. Even
> if I spent *way* too long until I realized that the "trivial"
> memmove() wasn't so trivial.

Yes, band-aids are usually simpler than a proper fix. We have 28 years
of hacks built on hacks. There's a lot of hacks in the C code to handle
the differences between the crappy way x86_32 does pt_regs and the
proper way x86_64 does them.

If the goal was just to add another band-aid to this, we now have one
more subtle work around caused by two different methods being handled
by a single code base.

I don't look at Peter's patch and think "this is the solution for int3
emulate calls". I see Peter's patch as "Thanks God, we are finally
getting rid of the cause of all theses work around hacks all over the
place! and oh by the way, we can easily implement int3 call emulation
because of it".

To implement your way, we need to change how the int3 handler works.
It will be the only exception handler having to return regs, otherwise
it will crash.

Sure, it's an easily solution for the one off change of emulating
calls, but it's just another complex work around that nobody is going
to understand in 5 years.

-- Steve