linux-kernel - Re: SGX vs LSM (Re: [PATCH v20 00/28] Intel SGX1 support)

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Message-ID: <20190520112945.GA27805@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Mon, 20 May 2019 14:29:45 +0300
From:   Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@...el.com>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
        "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
        LSM List <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>,
        Paul Moore <paul@...l-moore.com>,
        Stephen Smalley <sds@...ho.nsa.gov>,
        Eric Paris <eparis@...isplace.org>, selinux@...r.kernel.org,
        Jethro Beekman <jethro@...tanix.com>,
        "Xing, Cedric" <cedric.xing@...el.com>,
        "Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        "Dr. Greg" <greg@...ellic.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@...nel.org>,
        "linux-sgx@...r.kernel.org" <linux-sgx@...r.kernel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
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        "npmccallum@...hat.com" <npmccallum@...hat.com>,
        "Ayoun, Serge" <serge.ayoun@...el.com>,
        "Katz-zamir, Shay" <shay.katz-zamir@...el.com>,
        "Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@...el.com>,
        Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@...ux.intel.com>,
        "Svahn, Kai" <kai.svahn@...el.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>,
        "Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@...el.com>,
        David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: SGX vs LSM (Re: [PATCH v20 00/28] Intel SGX1 support)

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 03:45:50PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 02:02:58PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On May 15, 2019, at 10:16 PM, Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@...ux.intel.com> wrote:
> > > There is a problem here though. Usually the enclave itself is just a
> > > loader that then loads the application from outside source and creates
> > > the executable pages from the content.
> > >
> > > A great example of this is Graphene that bootstraps unmodified Linux
> > > applications to an enclave:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/oscarlab/graphene
> > >
> > 
> > ISTM you should need EXECMEM or similar to run Graphene, then.
> 
> Agreed, Graphene is effectively running arbitrary enclave code.  I'm
> guessing there is nothing that prevents extending/reworking Graphene to
> allow generating the enclave ahead of time so as to avoid populating the
> guts of the enclave at runtime, i.e. it's likely possible to run an
> unmodified application in an enclave without EXECMEM if that's something
> Graphene or its users really care about.

I'd guess that also people adding SGX support to containers want
somewhat similar framework to work on so that you can just wrap a
container with an enclave.

/Jarkko