linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 7/7] mm: madvise support MADV_ANONYMOUS_FILTER and MADV_FILE

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Message-ID: <20190522015025.GA29449@google.com>
Date:   Wed, 22 May 2019 10:50:25 +0900
From:   Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>
To:     Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>
Cc:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>, Tim Murray <timmurray@...gle.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>,
        Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>,
        Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@...gle.com>,
        Brian Geffon <bgeffon@...gle.com>, linux-api@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 7/7] mm: madvise support MADV_ANONYMOUS_FILTER and
 MADV_FILE_FILTER

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:33:10AM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:55:33AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:28:01AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > [cc linux-api]
> > > 
> > > On Mon 20-05-19 12:52:54, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > System could have much faster swap device like zRAM. In that case, swapping
> > > > is extremely cheaper than file-IO on the low-end storage.
> > > > In this configuration, userspace could handle different strategy for each
> > > > kinds of vma. IOW, they want to reclaim anonymous pages by MADV_COLD
> > > > while it keeps file-backed pages in inactive LRU by MADV_COOL because
> > > > file IO is more expensive in this case so want to keep them in memory
> > > > until memory pressure happens.
> > > > 
> > > > To support such strategy easier, this patch introduces
> > > > MADV_ANONYMOUS_FILTER and MADV_FILE_FILTER options in madvise(2) like
> > > > that /proc/<pid>/clear_refs already has supported same filters.
> > > > They are filters could be Ored with other existing hints using top two bits
> > > > of (int behavior).
> > > 
> > > madvise operates on top of ranges and it is quite trivial to do the
> > > filtering from the userspace so why do we need any additional filtering?
> > > 
> > > > Once either of them is set, the hint could affect only the interested vma
> > > > either anonymous or file-backed.
> > > > 
> > > > With that, user could call a process_madvise syscall simply with a entire
> > > > range(0x0 - 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF) but either of MADV_ANONYMOUS_FILTER and
> > > > MADV_FILE_FILTER so there is no need to call the syscall range by range.
> > > 
> > > OK, so here is the reason you want that. The immediate question is why
> > > cannot the monitor do the filtering from the userspace. Slightly more
> > > work, all right, but less of an API to expose and that itself is a
> > > strong argument against.
> > 
> > What I should do if we don't have such filter option is to enumerate all of
> > vma via /proc/<pid>/maps and then parse every ranges and inode from string,
> > which would be painful for 2000+ vmas.
> 
> Just out of curiosity, how do you get to 2000+ distinct memory regions
> in the address space of a mobile app? I'm assuming these aren't files,
> but rather anon objects with poor grouping. Is that from guard pages
> between individual heap allocations or something?

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