linux-kernel - Re: [RFCv2 5/6] mm: introduce external memory hinting API

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Message-ID: <20190531131859.GB195463@google.com>
Date:   Fri, 31 May 2019 22:19:00 +0900
From:   Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        Tim Murray <timmurray@...gle.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>,
        Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>,
        Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@...gle.com>,
        Brian Geffon <bgeffon@...gle.com>, jannh@...gle.com,
        oleg@...hat.com, christian@...uner.io, oleksandr@...hat.com,
        hdanton@...a.com
Subject: Re: [RFCv2 5/6] mm: introduce external memory hinting API

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:37:57AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 31-05-19 15:43:12, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > There is some usecase that centralized userspace daemon want to give
> > a memory hint like MADV_[COLD|PAGEEOUT] to other process. Android's
> > ActivityManagerService is one of them.
> > 
> > It's similar in spirit to madvise(MADV_WONTNEED), but the information
> > required to make the reclaim decision is not known to the app. Instead,
> > it is known to the centralized userspace daemon(ActivityManagerService),
> > and that daemon must be able to initiate reclaim on its own without
> > any app involvement.
> > 
> > To solve the issue, this patch introduces new syscall process_madvise(2).
> > It could give a hint to the exeternal process of pidfd.
> > 
> >  int process_madvise(int pidfd, void *addr, size_t length, int advise,
> > 			unsigned long cookie, unsigned long flag);
> > 
> > Since it could affect other process's address range, only privileged
> > process(CAP_SYS_PTRACE) or something else(e.g., being the same UID)
> > gives it the right to ptrace the process could use it successfully.
> > 
> > The syscall has a cookie argument to privode atomicity(i.e., detect
> > target process's address space change since monitor process has parsed
> > the address range of target process so the operaion could fail in case
> > of happening race). Although there is no interface to get a cookie
> > at this moment, it could be useful to consider it as argument to avoid
> > introducing another new syscall in future. It could support *atomicity*
> > for disruptive hint(e.g., MADV_DONTNEED|FREE).
> > flag argument is reserved for future use if we need to extend the API.
> 
> Providing an API that is incomplete will not fly. Really. As this really
> begs for much more discussion and it would be good to move on with the
> core idea of the pro active memory memory management from userspace
> usecase. Could you split out the core change so that we can move on and
> leave the external for a later discussion. I believe this would lead to
> a smoother integration.

No problem but I need to understand what you want a little bit more because
I thought this patchset is already step by step so if we reach the agreement
of part of them like [1-5/6], it could be merged first.

Could you say how you want to split the patchset for forward progress?

Thanks.