linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 03/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap setup function

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Date:   Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:33:16 +0200
From:   Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:     Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@...el.com>
Cc:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, x86@...nel.org,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
        Balbir Singh <bsingharora@...il.com>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@...il.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...ux.intel.com>,
        Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@...hat.com>,
        Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com>,
        "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@...il.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@...cle.com>,
        Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@...il.com>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
        Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>,
        "Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@...el.com>,
        Vedvyas Shanbhogue <vedvyas.shanbhogue@...el.com>,
        Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 03/14] x86/cet/ibt: Add IBT legacy code bitmap setup
 function

On Mon 2019-06-10 08:47:45, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> On Sat, 2019-06-08 at 22:52 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > > > I've no idea what the kernel should do; since you failed to answer the
> > > > question what happens when you point this to garbage.
> > > > 
> > > > Does it then fault or what?
> > > 
> > > Yeah, I think you'll fault with a rather mysterious CR2 value since
> > > you'll go look at the instruction that faulted and not see any
> > > references to the CR2 value.
> > > 
> > > I think this new MSR probably needs to get included in oops output when
> > > CET is enabled.
> > > 
> > > Why don't we require that a VMA be in place for the entire bitmap?
> > > Don't we need a "get" prctl function too in case something like a JIT is
> > > running and needs to find the location of this bitmap to set bits itself?
> > > 
> > > Or, do we just go whole-hog and have the kernel manage the bitmap
> > > itself. Our interface here could be:
> > > 
> > > 	prctl(PR_MARK_CODE_AS_LEGACY, start, size);
> > > 
> > > and then have the kernel allocate and set the bitmap for those code
> > > locations.
> > 
> > For the record, that sounds like a better interface than userspace knowing
> > about the bitmap formats...
> > 									Pavel
> 
> Initially we implemented the bitmap that way.  To manage the bitmap, every time
> the application issues a syscall for a .so it loads, and the kernel does
> copy_from_user() & copy_to_user() (or similar things).  If a system has a few
> legacy .so files and every application does the same, it can take a long time to
> boot up.

Loading .so is already many syscalls, I'd not expect measurable
performance there. Are you sure?
								Pavel
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