linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 00/10] Process-local memory allocations for hiding KVM secrets

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Message-ID: <CALCETrVt=X+FB2cM5hMN9okvbcROFfT4_KMwaKaN2YVvc7UQTw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Mon, 17 Jun 2019 09:14:50 -0700
From:   Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>
To:     Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>
Cc:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Alexander Graf <graf@...zon.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Marius Hillenbrand <mhillenb@...zon.de>,
        kvm list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
        Linux-MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>, Alexander Graf <graf@...zon.de>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw@...zon.co.uk>,
        "the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@...nel.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/10] Process-local memory allocations for hiding KVM secrets

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 9:09 AM Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/17/19 8:54 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >>> Would that mean that with Meltdown affected CPUs we open speculation
> >>> attacks against the mmlocal memory from KVM user space?
> >> Not necessarily.  There would likely be a _set_ of local PGDs.  We could
> >> still have pair of PTI PGDs just like we do know, they'd just be a local
> >> PGD pair.
> >>
> > Unfortunately, this would mean that we need to sync twice as many
> > top-level entries when we context switch.
>
> Yeah, PTI sucks. :)
>
> For anyone following along at home, I'm going to go off into crazy
> per-cpu-pgds speculation mode now...  Feel free to stop reading now. :)
>
> But, I was thinking we could get away with not doing this on _every_
> context switch at least.  For instance, couldn't 'struct tlb_context'
> have PGD pointer (or two with PTI) in addition to the TLB info?  That
> way we only do the copying when we change the context.  Or does that tie
> the implementation up too much with PCIDs?

Hmm, that seems entirely reasonable.  I think the nasty bit would be
figuring out all the interactions with PV TLB flushing.  PV TLB
flushes already don't play so well with PCID tracking, and this will
make it worse.  We probably need to rewrite all that code regardless.