linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm: Check if mmu notifier callbacks are allowed to fail

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Date:   Wed, 19 Jun 2019 22:18:43 +0200
From:   Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@...ll.ch>
To:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
Cc:     Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>,
        Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@...el.com>,
        Intel Graphics Development <intel-gfx@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        DRI Development <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
        Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm: Check if mmu notifier callbacks are allowed to fail

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:13 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 09:57:15PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 6:50 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 05:22:15PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:44:11AM -0400, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:39:42PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > > > Just a bit of paranoia, since if we start pushing this deep into
> > > > > > callchains it's hard to spot all places where an mmu notifier
> > > > > > implementation might fail when it's not allowed to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Inspired by some confusion we had discussing i915 mmu notifiers and
> > > > > > whether we could use the newly-introduced return value to handle some
> > > > > > corner cases. Until we realized that these are only for when a task
> > > > > > has been killed by the oom reaper.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An alternative approach would be to split the callback into two
> > > > > > versions, one with the int return value, and the other with void
> > > > > > return value like in older kernels. But that's a lot more churn for
> > > > > > fairly little gain I think.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Summary from the m-l discussion on why we want something at warning
> > > > > > level: This allows automated tooling in CI to catch bugs without
> > > > > > humans having to look at everything. If we just upgrade the existing
> > > > > > pr_info to a pr_warn, then we'll have false positives. And as-is, no
> > > > > > one will ever spot the problem since it's lost in the massive amounts
> > > > > > of overall dmesg noise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > v2: Drop the full WARN_ON backtrace in favour of just a pr_warn for
> > > > > > the problematic case (Michal Hocko).
> > >
> > > I disagree with this v2 note, the WARN_ON/WARN will trigger checkers
> > > like syzkaller to report a bug, while a random pr_warn probably will
> > > not.
> > >
> > > I do agree the backtrace is not useful here, but we don't have a
> > > warn-no-backtrace version..
> > >
> > > IMHO, kernel/driver bugs should always be reported by WARN &
> > > friends. We never expect to see the print, so why do we care how big
> > > it is?
> > >
> > > Also note that WARN integrates an unlikely() into it so the codegen is
> > > automatically a bit more optimal that the if & pr_warn combination.
> >
> > Where do you make a difference between a WARN without backtrace and a
> > pr_warn? They're both dumped at the same log-level ...
>
> WARN panics the kernel when you set
>
> /proc/sys/kernel/panic_on_warn
>
> So auto testing tools can set that and get a clean detection that the
> kernel has failed the test in some way.
>
> Otherwise you are left with frail/ugly grepping of dmesg.

Hm right.

Anyway, I'm happy to repaint the bikeshed in any color that's desired,
if that helps with landing it. WARN_WITHOUT_BACKTRACE might take a bit
longer (need to find a bit of time, plus it'll definitely attract more
comments).

Michal?
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
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