linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: Trigger bug on if a section is not found in __section

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Date:   Fri, 28 Jun 2019 10:46:28 +1000
From:   "Alastair D'Silva" <alastair@...ilva.org>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@...cle.com>,
        Oscar Salvador <osalvador@...e.de>,
        Mike Rapoport <rppt@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Baoquan He <bhe@...hat.com>,
        Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@...il.com>,
        Logan Gunthorpe <logang@...tatee.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: Trigger bug on if a section is not found in
 __section_nr

On Thu, 2019-06-27 at 10:10 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 27-06-19 10:50:57, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 08:57 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Wed 26-06-19 16:27:30, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 08:21 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > On Wed 26-06-19 16:11:21, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > > > > > From: Alastair D'Silva <alastair@...ilva.org>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If a memory section comes in where the physical address is
> > > > > > greater
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > that which is managed by the kernel, this function would
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > trigger the
> > > > > > bug and instead return a bogus section number.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This patch tracks whether the section was actually found,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > triggers the
> > > > > > bug if not.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why do we want/need that? In other words the changelog should
> > > > > contina
> > > > > WHY and WHAT. This one contains only the later one.
> > > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks, I'll update the comment.
> > > > 
> > > > During driver development, I tried adding peristent memory at a
> > > > memory
> > > > address that exceeded the maximum permissable address for the
> > > > platform.
> > > > 
> > > > This caused __section_nr to silently return bogus section
> > > > numbers,
> > > > rather than complaining.
> > > 
> > > OK, I see, but is an additional code worth it for the non-
> > > development
> > > case? I mean why should we be testing for something that
> > > shouldn't
> > > happen normally? Is it too easy to get things wrong or what is
> > > the
> > > underlying reason to change it now?
> > > 
> > 
> > It took me a while to identify what the problem was - having the
> > BUG_ON
> > would have saved me a few hours.
> > 
> > I'm happy to just have the BUG_ON 'nd drop the new error return (I
> > added that in response to Mike Rapoport's comment that the original
> > patch would still return a bogus section number).
> 
> Well, BUG_ON is about the worst way to handle an incorrect input. You
> really do not want to put a production environment down just because
> there is a bug in a driver, right? There are still many {VM_}BUG_ONs
> in the tree and there is a general trend to get rid of many of them
> rather than adding new ones.
> 
> Now back to your patch. You are adding an error handling where we
> simply
> do not expect invalid data. This is often the case for the core
> kernel
> functionality because we do expect consumers of the code to do the
> right
> thing. E.g. __section_nr already takes a pointer to struct section
> which
> assumes that this core data structure is already valid. Adding a
> check
> here adds an unnecessary overhead so this doesn't really sound like a
> good idea to me.


Thanks for providing a good explanation.

In this situation, since we return a bogus section number, we get
crashes elsewhere in the kernel if the code rumbles on.

Given that there is already a VM_BUG_ON in the code, how do you feel
about broadening the scope from 'VM_BUG_ON(!root)' to 'VM_BUG_ON(!root
|| (root_nr == NR_SECTION_ROOTS))'?

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