Message-ID: <20190703112212.146ac71c@x1.home>
Date:   Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:22:12 -0600
From:   Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
To:     "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@...el.com>
Cc:     "kwankhede@...dia.com" <kwankhede@...dia.com>,
        "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>,
        "baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com" <baolu.lu@...ux.intel.com>,
        "Sun, Yi Y" <yi.y.sun@...el.com>,
        "joro@...tes.org" <joro@...tes.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@...ionext.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 9/9] smaples: add vfio-mdev-pci driver

On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:25:25 +0000
"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@...el.com> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Thanks for the comments. Have four inline responses below. And one
> of them need your further help. :-)
> .
> > From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@...hat.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 11:08 PM
> > To: Liu, Yi L <yi.l.liu@...el.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 9/9] smaples: add vfio-mdev-pci driver
> > 
> > On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:20:38 +0000
> > "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@...el.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >  
> > > > From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@...hat.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 11:58 PM
> > > > To: Liu, Yi L <yi.l.liu@...el.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 9/9] smaples: add vfio-mdev-pci driver
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:23:10 +0000
> > > > "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > Hi Alex,
> > > > >  
> > > > > > From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@...hat.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 5:08 AM
> > > > > > To: Liu, Yi L <yi.l.liu@...el.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 9/9] smaples: add vfio-mdev-pci driver
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:00:34 +0000 "Liu, Yi L"
> > > > > > <yi.l.liu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Hi Alex,
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@...hat.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:27 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Liu, Yi L <yi.l.liu@...el.com>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 9/9] smaples: add vfio-mdev-pci
> > > > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat,  8 Jun 2019 21:21:11 +0800 Liu Yi L
> > > > > > > > <yi.l.liu@...el.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > This patch adds sample driver named vfio-mdev-pci. It is
> > > > > > > > > to wrap a PCI device as a mediated device. For a pci
> > > > > > > > > device, once bound to vfio-mdev-pci driver, user space
> > > > > > > > > access of this device will go through vfio mdev framework.
> > > > > > > > > The usage of the device follows mdev management method.
> > > > > > > > > e.g. user should create a mdev before exposing the device to user-space.  
> > > > > [...]  
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > However, the patch below just makes the mdev interface
> > > > > > > > behave correctly, I can't make it work on my system because
> > > > > > > > commit 7bd50f0cd2fd ("vfio/type1: Add domain at(de)taching
> > > > > > > > group helpers")  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What error did you encounter. I tested the patch with a device
> > > > > > > in a singleton iommu group. I'm also searching a proper
> > > > > > > machine with multiple devices in an iommu group and test it.  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In vfio_iommu_type1, iommu backed mdev devices use the
> > > > > > iommu_attach_device() interface, which includes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >         if (iommu_group_device_count(group) != 1)
> > > > > >                 goto out_unlock;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So it's impossible to use with non-singleton groups currently.  
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmmm, I think it is no longer good to use iommu_attach_device()
> > > > > for iommu backed mdev devices now. In this flow, the purpose here
> > > > > is to attach a device to a domain and no need to check whether the
> > > > > device is in a singleton iommu group. I think it would be better
> > > > > to use __iommu_attach_device() instead of iommu_attach_device().  
> > > >
> > > > That's a static and unexported, it's intentionally not an exposed
> > > > interface.  We can't attach devices in the same group to separate
> > > > domains allocated through iommu_domain_alloc(), this would violate
> > > > the iommu group isolation principles.  
> > >
> > > Go it. :-) Then not good to expose such interface. But to support
> > > devices in non-singleton iommu group, we need to have a new interface
> > > which doesn't count the devices but attach all the devices.  
> > 
> > We have iommu_attach_group(), we just need to track which groups are attached.  
> 
> yep.
> 
> > > > > Also I found a potential mutex lock issue if using iommu_attach_device().
> > > > > In vfio_iommu_attach_group(), it uses iommu_group_for_each_dev()
> > > > > to loop all the devices in the group. It holds group->mutex. And
> > > > > then  
> > > > vfio_mdev_attach_domain()  
> > > > > calls iommu_attach_device() which also tries to get group->mutex.
> > > > > This would be an issue. If you are fine with it, I may post
> > > > > another patch for it. :-)  
> > > >
> > > > Gack, yes, please send a patch.  
> > >
> > > Would do it, may be together with the support of vfio-mdev-pci on
> > > devices in non-singleton iommu group.
> > >  
> > > >  
> > > > > > > > used iommu_attach_device() rather than iommu_attach_group()
> > > > > > > > for non-aux mdev iommu_device.  Is there a requirement that
> > > > > > > > the mdev parent device is in a singleton iommu group?  
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't think there should have such limitation. Per my
> > > > > > > understanding, vfio-mdev-pci should also be able to bind to
> > > > > > > devices which shares iommu group with other devices. vfio-pci works well  
> > for such devices.  
> > > > > > > And since the two drivers share most of the codes, I think
> > > > > > > vfio-mdev-pci should naturally support it as well.  
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, the difference though is that vfio.c knows when devices are
> > > > > > in the same group, which mdev vfio.c only knows about the
> > > > > > non-iommu backed group, not the group that is actually used for
> > > > > > the iommu backing.  So we either need to enlighten vfio.c or
> > > > > > further abstract those details in vfio_iommu_type1.c.  
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure if it is necessary to introduce more changes to vfio.c or
> > > > > vfio_iommu_type1.c. If it's only for the scenario which two
> > > > > devices share an iommu_group, I guess it could be supported by
> > > > > using __iommu_attach_device() which has no device counting for the
> > > > > group. But maybe I missed something here. It would be great if you
> > > > > can elaborate a bit for it. :-)  
> > > >
> > > > We need to use the group semantics, there's a reason
> > > > __iommu_attach_device() is not exposed, it's an internal helper.  I
> > > > think there's no way around that we need to somewhere track the
> > > > actual group we're attaching to and have the smarts to re-use it for
> > > > other devices in the same group.  
> > >
> > > Hmmm, exposing __iommu_attach_device() is not good, let's forget it.
> > > :-)
> > >  
> > > > > > > > If this is a simplification, then vfio-mdev-pci should not
> > > > > > > > bind to devices where this is violated since there's no way
> > > > > > > > to use the device.  Can we support it though?  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > yeah, I think we need to support it.  
> 
> I've already made vfio-mdev-pci driver work for non-singleton iommu
> group. e.g. for devices in a single iommu group, I can bind the devices
> to eithervfio-pci or vfio-mdev-pci and then passthru them to a VM. And
> it will fail if user tries to passthru a vfio-mdev-pci device via vfio-pci
> manner "-device vfio-pci,host=01:00.1". In other words, vfio-mdev-pci
> device can only passthru via
> "-device vfio-pci,sysfsdev=/sys/bus/mdev/devices/UUID". This is what
> we expect.
> 
> However, I encountered a problem when trying to prevent user from
> passthru these devices to different VMs. I've tried in my side, and I
> can passthru vfio-pci device and vfio-mdev-pci device to different
> VMs. But actually this operation should be failed. If all the devices
> are bound to vfio-pci, Qemu will open iommu backed group. So
> Qemu can check if a given group has already been used by an
> AddressSpace (a.ka. VM) in vfio_get_group() thus to prevent
> user from passthru these devices to different VMs if the devices
> are in the same iommu backed group. However, here for a
> vfio-mdev-pci device, it has a new group and group ID, Qemu
> will not be able to detect if the other devices (share iommu group
> with vfio-mdev-pci device) are passthru to existing VMs. This is the
> major problem for vfio-mdev-pci to support non-singleton group
> in my side now. Even all devices are bound to vfio-mdev-pci driver,
> Qemu is still unable to check since all the vfio-mdev-pci devices
> have a separate mdev group.
> 
> To fix it, may need Qemu to do more things. E.g. If it tries to use a
> non-singleton iommu backed group, it needs to check if any mdev
> group is created and used by an existing VM. Also it needs check if
> iommu backed group is passthru to an existing VM when trying to
> use a mdev group. For singleton iommu backed group and
> aux-domain enabled physical device, still allow to passthru mdev
> group to different VMs. To achieve these checks, Qemu may need
> to have knowledge whether a group is iommu backed and singleton
> or not. Do you think it is good to expose such info to userspace? or
> any other idea? :-)

QEMU is never responsible for isolating a group, QEMU is just a
userspace driver, it's vfio's responsibility to prevent the user from
splitting groups in ways that are not allowed.  QEMU does not know the
true group association, it only knows the "virtual" group of the mdev
device.  QEMU will create a container and add the mdev virtual group to
the container.  In the kernel, the type1 backend should actually do an
iommu_attach_group(), attaching the iommu_device group to the domain.
When QEMU processes the next device, it will have a different group,
but (assuming no vIOMMU) it will try to attach it to the same
container, which should work because the iommu_device group backing the
mdev virtual group is already attached to this domain.

If we had two separate QEMU processes, each with an mdev device from a
common group at the iommu_device level, the type1 backend should fail
to attach the group to the container for the later caller.  I'd think
this should fail at the iommu_attach_group() call since the group we're
trying to attach is already attached to another domain.

It's really unfortunate that we don't have the mdev inheriting the
iommu group of the iommu_device so that userspace can really understand
this relationship.  A separate group makes sense for the aux-domain
case, and is (I guess) not a significant issue in the case of a
singleton iommu_device group, but it's pretty awkward here.  Perhaps
this is something we should correct in design of iommu backed mdevs.
Thanks,

Alex

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