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Message-Id: <20190722162551.GK14271@linux.ibm.com>
Date:   Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:25:51 -0700
From:   "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
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Subject: Re: RFC: call_rcu_outstanding (was Re: WARNING in __mmdrop)

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:13:40PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 08:55:34AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:47:24AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:14:39AM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Would it make sense to have call_rcu() check to see if there are many
> > > > > > outstanding requests on this CPU and if so process them before returning?
> > > > > > That would ensure that frequent callers usually ended up doing their
> > > > > > own processing.
> > > > 
> > > > Other than what Paul already mentioned about deadlocks, I am not sure if this
> > > > would even work for all cases since call_rcu() has to wait for a grace
> > > > period.
> > > > 
> > > > So, if the number of outstanding requests are higher than a certain amount,
> > > > then you *still* have to wait for some RCU configurations for the grace
> > > > period duration and cannot just execute the callback in-line. Did I miss
> > > > something?
> > > > 
> > > > Can waiting in-line for a grace period duration be tolerated in the vhost case?
> > > > 
> > > > thanks,
> > > > 
> > > >  - Joel
> > > 
> > > No, but it has many other ways to recover (try again later, drop a
> > > packet, use a slower copy to/from user).
> > 
> > True enough!  And your idea of taking recovery action based on the number
> > of callbacks seems like a good one while we are getting RCU's callback
> > scheduling improved.
> > 
> > By the way, was this a real problem that you could make happen on real
> > hardware?
> 
> >  If not, I would suggest just letting RCU get improved over
> > the next couple of releases.
> 
> So basically use kfree_rcu but add a comment saying e.g. "WARNING:
> in the future callers of kfree_rcu might need to check that
> not too many callbacks get queued. In that case, we can
> disable the optimization, or recover in some other way.
> Watch this space."

That sounds fair.

> > If it is something that you actually made happen, please let me know
> > what (if anything) you need from me for your callback-counting EBUSY
> > scheme.
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> If you mean kfree_rcu causing OOM then no, it's all theoretical.
> If you mean synchronize_rcu stalling to the point where guest will OOPs,
> then yes, that's not too hard to trigger.

Is synchronize_rcu() being stalled by the userspace loop that is invoking
your ioctl that does kfree_rcu()?  Or instead by the resulting callback
invocation?

							Thanx, Paul