linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/1] psi: do not require setsched permission from the trigger creator

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Message-ID: <CAJuCfpHGpsU4bVcRxpc3wOybAOtiTKAsB=BNAtZcGnt10j5gbA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:28:30 -0700
From:   Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, lizefan@...wei.com,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>, axboe@...nel.dk,
        Dennis Zhou <dennis@...nel.org>,
        Dennis Zhou <dennisszhou@...il.com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        kernel-team <kernel-team@...roid.com>,
        Nick Kralevich <nnk@...gle.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] psi: do not require setsched permission from the
 trigger creator

Hi Peter,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I understand your point and I tend
to agree with it. I originally designed this using watchdog as the
example of a critical system health signal and in the context of
mobile device memory pressure is critical but I agree that there are
more important things in life. I checked and your proposal to change
it to FIFO-1 should still work for our purposes. Will test to make
sure and reply to your patch. Couple clarifications in-line.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 2:51 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 10:44:51AM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:11 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 06:33:10PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > When a process creates a new trigger by writing into /proc/pressure/*
> > > > files, permissions to write such a file should be used to determine whether
> > > > the process is allowed to do so or not. Current implementation would also
> > > > require such a process to have setsched capability. Setting of psi trigger
> > > > thread's scheduling policy is an implementation detail and should not be
> > > > exposed to the user level. Remove the permission check by using _nocheck
> > > > version of the function.
> > > >
> > > > Suggested-by: Nick Kralevich <nnk@...gle.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>
> > > > ---
> > > >  kernel/sched/psi.c | 2 +-
> > > >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/kernel/sched/psi.c b/kernel/sched/psi.c
> > > > index 7acc632c3b82..ed9a1d573cb1 100644
> > > > --- a/kernel/sched/psi.c
> > > > +++ b/kernel/sched/psi.c
> > > > @@ -1061,7 +1061,7 @@ struct psi_trigger *psi_trigger_create(struct psi_group *group,
> > > >                       mutex_unlock(&group->trigger_lock);
> > > >                       return ERR_CAST(kworker);
> > > >               }
> > > > -             sched_setscheduler(kworker->task, SCHED_FIFO, &param);
> > > > +             sched_setscheduler_nocheck(kworker->task, SCHED_FIFO, &param);
> > >
> > > ARGGH, wtf is there a FIFO-99!! thread here at all !?
> >
> > We need psi poll_kworker to be an rt-priority thread so that psi
>
> There is a giant difference between 'needs to be higher than OTHER' and
> FIFO-99.
>
> > notifications are delivered to the userspace without delay even when
> > the CPUs are very congested. Otherwise it's easy to delay psi
> > notifications by running a simple CPU hogger executing "chrt -f 50 dd
> > if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null". Because these notifications are
>
> So what; at that point that's exactly what you're asking for. Using RT
> is for those who know what they're doing.
>
> > time-critical for reacting to memory shortages we can't allow for such
> > delays.
>
> Furthermore, actual RT programs will have pre-allocated and locked any
> memory they rely on. They don't give a crap about your pressure
> nonsense.
>

This signal is used not to protect other RT tasks but to monitor
overall system memory health for the sake of system responsiveness.

> > Notice that this kworker is created only if userspace creates a psi
> > trigger. So unless you are using psi triggers you will never see this
> > kthread created.
>
> By marking it FIFO-99 you're in effect saying that your stupid
> statistics gathering is more important than your life. It will preempt
> the task that's in control of the band-saw emergency break, it will
> preempt the task that's adjusting the electromagnetic field containing
> this plasma flow.
>
> That's insane.

IMHO an opt-in feature stops being "stupid" as soon as the user opted
in to use it, therefore explicitly indicating interest in it. However
I assume you are using "stupid" here to indicate that it's "less
important" rather than it's "useless".

> I'm going to queue a patch to reduce this to FIFO-1, that will preempt
> regular OTHER tasks but will not perturb (much) actual RT bits.
>

Thanks for posting the fix.

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