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Date:   Thu, 1 Aug 2019 11:59:57 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 04/18] kunit: test: add kunit_stream a std::stream like logger

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:55 AM Brendan Higgins
<brendanhiggins@...gle.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:31 AM Petr Mladek <pmladek@...e.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu 2019-07-25 13:21:12, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:31 AM Petr Mladek <pmladek@...e.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon 2019-07-22 16:54:10, Stephen Boyd wrote:
> > > > > Quoting Brendan Higgins (2019-07-22 15:30:49)
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:03 PM Stephen Boyd <sboyd@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What's the calling context of the assertions and expectations? I still
> > > > > > > don't like the fact that string stream needs to allocate buffers and
> > > > > > > throw them into a list somewhere because the calling context matters
> > > > > > > there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The calling context is the same as before, which is anywhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok. That's concerning then.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd prefer we just wrote directly to the console/log via printk
> > > > > > > instead. That way things are simple because we use the existing
> > > > > > > buffering path of printk, but maybe there's some benefit to the string
> > > > > > > stream that I don't see? Right now it looks like it builds a string and
> > > > > > > then dumps it to printk so I'm sort of lost what the benefit is over
> > > > > > > just writing directly with printk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's just buffering it so the whole string gets printed uninterrupted.
> > > > > > If we were to print out piecemeal to printk, couldn't we have another
> > > > > > call to printk come in causing it to garble the KUnit message we are
> > > > > > in the middle of printing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, printing piecemeal by calling printk many times could lead to
> > > > > interleaving of messages if something else comes in such as an interrupt
> > > > > printing something. Printk has some support to hold "records" but I'm
> > > > > not sure how that would work here because KERN_CONT talks about only
> > > > > being used early on in boot code. I haven't looked at printk in detail
> > > > > though so maybe I'm all wrong and KERN_CONT just works?
> > > >
> > > > KERN_CONT does not guarantee that the message will get printed
> > > > together. The pieces get interleaved with messages printed in
> > > > parallel.
> > > >
> > > > Note that KERN_CONT was originally really meant to be used only during
> > > > boot. It was later used more widely and ended in the best effort category.
> > > >
> > > > There were several attempts to make it more reliable. But it was
> > > > always either too complicated or error prone or both.
> > > >
> > > > You need to use your own buffering if you rely want perfect output.
> > > > The question is if it is really worth the complexity. Also note that
> > > > any buffering reduces the chance that the messages will reach
> > > > the console.
> > >
> > > Seems like that settles it then. Thanks!
> > >
> > > > BTW: There is a work in progress on a lockless printk ring buffer.
> > > > It will make printk() more secure regarding deadlocks. But it might
> > > > make transparent handling of continuous lines even more tricky.
> > > >
> > > > I guess that local buffering, before calling printk(), will be
> > > > even more important then. Well, it might really force us to create
> > > > an API for it.
> > >
> > > Cool! Can you CC me on that discussion?
> >
> > Adding John Oggness into CC.
> >
> > John, please CC Brendan Higgins on the patchsets eventually switching
> > printk() into the lockless buffer. The test framework is going to
> > do its own buffering to keep the related messages together.
> >
> > The lockless ringbuffer might make handling of related (partial)
> > lines worse or better. It might justify KUnit's extra buffering
> > or it might allow to get rid of it.
>
> Thanks for CC'ing me on the printk ringbuffer thread. It looks like it
> actually probably won't affect my needs for KUnit logging. The biggest
> reason I need some sort of buffering system is to be able to compose
> messages piece meal into a single message that will be printed out to
> the user as a single message with no messages from other printk
> callers printed out in the middle of mine.
>
> The prb does look interesting; however, it appears that to get the
> semantics that I need, I would have to put my entire message in a
> single data block and would consequently need to know the size of my
> message a priori, which is problematic. Consequently, it seems as
> though I will probably need to compose my entire message using my own
> buffering system.
>
> > > > Note that stroring the messages into the printk log is basically safe in any
> > > > context. It uses temporary per-CPU buffers for recursive messages and
> > > > in NMI. The only problem is panic() when some CPU gets stuck with the
> > > > lock taken. This will get solved by the lockless ringbuffer. Also
> > > > the temporary buffers will not be necessary any longer.
> > >
> > > Sure, I think Stephen's concern is all the supporting code that is
> > > involved. Not printk specifically. It just means a lot more of KUnit
> > > has to be IRQ safe.
> >
> > I see.
> >
> > BTW: I wonder if KUnit could reuse the existing seq_buf implementation
> > for buffering messages.
> >
> > I am sorry if it has already been proposed and rejected for some
> > reason. I might have missed it. Feel free to just point me to
> > same older mail.
>
> Yeah, we discussed it briefly here:
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/17/497
>
> Looks like I forgot to include my reasoning in the commit text, sorry
> about that.
>
> > > > Much bigger problems are with consoles. There are many of them. It
> > > > means a lot of code and more locks involved, including scheduler
> > > > locks. Note that console lock is a semaphore.
> > >
> > > That shouldn't affect us though, right? As long as we continue to use
> > > the printk interface?
> >
> > I guess that it should not affect KUnit.
> >
> > The only problem might be if the testing framework calls printk()
> > inside scheduler or console code. And only when the tested code
> > uses the same locks that will be used by the called printk().
>
> Yeah, well printk will not be our only problem in those instances.
>
> > To be honest I do not fully understand KUnit design. I am not
> > completely sure how the tested code is isolated from the running
> > system. Namely, I do not know if the tested code shares
> > the same locks with the system running the test.
>
> No worries, I don't expect printk to be the hang up in those cases. It
> sounds like KUnit has a long way to evolve before printk is going to
> be a limitation.

So Stephen, what do you think?

Do you want me to go forward with the new kunit_assert API wrapping
the string_stream as I have it now? Would you prefer to punt this to a
later patch? Or would you prefer something else?

Cheers

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