linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v5 1/6] mm/page_idle: Add per-pid idle page tracking using virtual index

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Date:   Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:57:48 +0200
From:   Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
To:     Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
Cc:     Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@...il.com>,
        Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Brendan Gregg <bgregg@...flix.com>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Christian Hansen <chansen3@...co.com>, dancol@...gle.com,
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        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
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        linux-api@...r.kernel.org, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
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        Mike Rapoport <rppt@...ux.ibm.com>, minchan@...nel.org,
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        Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@...il.com>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>, Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/6] mm/page_idle: Add per-pid idle page tracking
 using virtual index

On Tue 13-08-19 10:45:17, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 04:14:32PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [snip] 
> > > > If the API is flawed then this is likely going
> > > > to kick us later and will be hard to fix. I am still not convinced about
> > > > the swap part of the thing TBH.
> > > 
> > > Ok, then let us discuss it. As I mentioned before, without this we lose the
> > > access information due to MADVISE or swapping. Minchan and Konstantin both
> > > suggested it that's why I also added it (other than me also realizing that it
> > > is neeed).
> > 
> > I have described my concerns about the general idle bit behavior after
> > unmapping pointing to discrepancy with !anon pages. And I believe those
> > haven't been addressed yet.
> 
> You are referring to this post right?
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/6/637
> 
> Specifically your question was:
> How are you going to handle situation when the page is unmapped  and refaulted again (e.g. a normal reclaim of a pagecache)?
> 
> Currently I don't know how to implement that. Would it work if I stored the
> page-idle bit information in the pte of the file page (after the page is
> unmapped by reclaim?).

It would work as long as we keep page tables around after unmap. As they
are easily reconstructable this is a good candidate for reclaim as well.

> Also, this could be a future extension - the Android heap profiler does not
> need it right now. I know that's not a good argument but it is useful to say
> that it doesn't affect a real world usecase.. the swap issue on the other
> hand, is a real usecase. Since the profiler should not get affected by
> swapping or MADVISE_COLD hints.
> 
> > Besides that I am still not seeing any
> > description of the usecase that would suffer from the lack of the
> > functionality in changelogs.
> 
> You are talking about the swap usecase? The usecase is well layed out in v5
> 2/6. Did you see it? https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1112283/

For some reason I've missed it. I will coment on that.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs