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Date:   Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:27:39 -0400 (EDT)
From:   Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
To:     rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Cc:     linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Joel Fernandes, Google" <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        paulmck <paulmck@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Fix: trace sched switch start/stop racy updates

----- On Aug 16, 2019, at 3:15 PM, rostedt rostedt@...dmis.org wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT)
> Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com> wrote:
> 
>> ----- On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:25 PM, rostedt rostedt@...dmis.org wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:26:43 -0400 Mathieu Desnoyers
>> > <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com> wrote:
>> >   
>> [...]
>> >> 
>> >> Also, write and read to/from those variables should be done with
>> >> WRITE_ONCE() and READ_ONCE(), given that those are read within tracing
>> >> probes without holding the sched_register_mutex.
>> >>   
>> > 
>> > I understand the READ_ONCE() but is the WRITE_ONCE() truly necessary?
>> > It's done while holding the mutex. It's not that critical of a path,
>> > and makes the code look ugly.
>> 
>> The update is done while holding the mutex, but the read-side does not
>> hold that mutex, so it can observe the intermediate state caused by
>> store-tearing or invented stores which can be generated by the compiler
>> on the update-side.
>> 
>> Please refer to the following LWN article:
>> 
>> https://lwn.net/Articles/793253/
>> 
>> Sections:
>> - "Store tearing"
>> - "Invented stores"
>> 
>> Arguably, based on that article, store tearing is only observed in the
>> wild for constants (which is not the case here), and invented stores
>> seem to require specific code patterns. But I wonder why we would ever want to
>> pair a fragile non-volatile store with a READ_ONCE() ? Considering the pain
>> associated to reproduce and hunt down this kind of issue in the wild, I would
>> be tempted to enforce that any READ_ONCE() operating on a variable would either
>> need to be paired with WRITE_ONCE() or with atomic operations, so those can
>> eventually be validated by static code checkers and code sanitizers.
> 
> My issue is that this is just a case to decide if we should cache a
> comm or not. It's a helper, nothing more. There's no guarantee that
> something will get cached.

I get your point wrt WRITE_ONCE(): since it's a cache it should not have
user-visible effects if a temporary incorrect value is observed. Well in
reality, it's not a cache: if the lookup fails, it returns "<...>" instead,
so cache lookup failure ends up not providing any useful data in the trace.
Let's assume this is a known and documented tracer limitation.

However, wrt READ_ONCE(), things are different. The variable read ends up
being used to control various branches in the code, and the compiler could
decide to re-fetch the variable (with a different state), and therefore
cause _some_ of the branches to be inconsistent. See
tracing_record_taskinfo_sched_switch() and tracing_record_taskinfo() @flags
parameter.

AFAIU the current code should not generate any out-of-bound writes in case of
re-fetch, but no comment in there documents how fragile this is.

Thanks,

Mathieu

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Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
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