Message-ID: <20190829015155.GB100789@google.com>
Date:   Wed, 28 Aug 2019 21:51:55 -0400
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>
To:     "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...nel.org>
Cc:     linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        Josh Triplett <josh@...htriplett.org>, kernel-team@...roid.com,
        Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@...il.com>,
        linux-doc@...r.kernel.org,
        Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>,
        Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@...nel.org>,
        rcu@...r.kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1 2/2] rcu/tree: Remove dynticks_nmi_nesting counter

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 04:12:47PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:14:44PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 03:01:08PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 05:42:41PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 02:19:04PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 05:05:25PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 01:23:30PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 09:33:54PM -0400, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > > > > > > > The dynticks_nmi_nesting counter serves 4 purposes:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >       (a) rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle() needs to be able to detect first
> > > > > > > >           interrupt nesting level.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >       (b) We need to detect half-interrupts till we are sure they're not an
> > > > > > > >           issue. However, change the comparison to DYNTICK_IRQ_NONIDLE with 0.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >       (c) When a quiescent state report is needed from a nohz_full CPU.
> > > > > > > >           The nesting counter detects we are a first level interrupt.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For (a) we can just use dyntick_nesting == 1 to determine this. Only the
> > > > > > > > outermost interrupt that interrupted an RCU-idle state can set it to 1.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For (b), this warning condition has not occurred for several kernel
> > > > > > > > releases.  But we still keep the warning but change it to use
> > > > > > > > in_interrupt() instead of the nesting counter. In a later year, we can
> > > > > > > > remove the warning.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > For (c), the nest check is not really necessary since forced_tick would
> > > > > > > > have been set to true in the outermost interrupt, so the nested/NMI
> > > > > > > > interrupts will check forced_tick anyway, and bail.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Skipping the commit log and documentation for this pass.
> > > > > > [snip] 
> > > > > > > > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree.c b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > > > > > > index 255cd6835526..1465a3e406f8 100644
> > > > > > > > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > > > > > > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > > > > > > @@ -81,7 +81,6 @@
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  static DEFINE_PER_CPU_SHARED_ALIGNED(struct rcu_data, rcu_data) = {
> > > > > > > >  	.dynticks_nesting = 1,
> > > > > > > > -	.dynticks_nmi_nesting = 0,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This should be in the previous patch, give or take naming.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Done.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  	.dynticks = ATOMIC_INIT(RCU_DYNTICK_CTRL_CTR),
> > > > > > > >  };
> > > > > > > >  struct rcu_state rcu_state = {
> > > > > > > > @@ -392,15 +391,9 @@ static int rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle(void)
> > > > > > > >  	/* Check for counter underflows */
> > > > > > > >  	RCU_LOCKDEP_WARN(__this_cpu_read(rcu_data.dynticks_nesting) < 0,
> > > > > > > >  			 "RCU dynticks_nesting counter underflow!");
> > > > > > > > -	RCU_LOCKDEP_WARN(__this_cpu_read(rcu_data.dynticks_nmi_nesting) <= 0,
> > > > > > > > -			 "RCU dynticks_nmi_nesting counter underflow/zero!");
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > -	/* Are we at first interrupt nesting level? */
> > > > > > > > -	if (__this_cpu_read(rcu_data.dynticks_nmi_nesting) != 1)
> > > > > > > > -		return false;
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > -	/* Does CPU appear to be idle from an RCU standpoint? */
> > > > > > > > -	return __this_cpu_read(rcu_data.dynticks_nesting) == 0;
> > > > > > > > +	/* Are we the outermost interrupt that arrived when RCU was idle? */
> > > > > > > > +	return __this_cpu_read(rcu_data.dynticks_nesting) == 1;
> > > > > > > >  }
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  #define DEFAULT_RCU_BLIMIT 10     /* Maximum callbacks per rcu_do_batch ... */
> > > > > > > > @@ -564,11 +557,10 @@ static void rcu_eqs_enter(bool user)
> > > > > > > >  	struct rcu_data *rdp = this_cpu_ptr(&rcu_data);
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >  	/* Entering usermode/idle from interrupt is not handled. These would
> > > > > > > > -	 * mean usermode upcalls or idle entry happened from interrupts. But,
> > > > > > > > -	 * reset the counter if we warn.
> > > > > > > > +	 * mean usermode upcalls or idle exit happened from interrupts. Remove
> > > > > > > > +	 * the warning by 2020.
> > > > > > > >  	 */
> > > > > > > > -	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(rdp->dynticks_nmi_nesting != 0))
> > > > > > > > -		WRITE_ONCE(rdp->dynticks_nmi_nesting, 0);
> > > > > > > > +	WARN_ON_ONCE(in_interrupt());
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > And this is a red flag.  Bad things happen should some common code
> > > > > > > that disables BH be invoked from the idle loop.  This might not be
> > > > > > > happening now, but we need to avoid this sort of constraint.
> > > > > > > How about instead merging ->dyntick_nesting into the low-order bits
> > > > > > > of ->dyntick_nmi_nesting?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes, this assumes that we don't enter process level twice, but it should
> > > > > > > be easy to add a WARN_ON() to test for that.  Except that we don't have
> > > > > > > to because there is already this near the end of rcu_eqs_exit():
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 	WARN_ON_ONCE(rdp->dynticks_nmi_nesting);
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So the low-order bit of the combined counter could indicate process-level
> > > > > > > non-idle, the next three bits could be unused to make interpretation
> > > > > > > of hex printouts easier, and then the rest of the bits could be used in
> > > > > > > the same way as currently.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This would allow a single read to see the full state, so that 0x1 means
> > > > > > > at process level in the kernel, 0x11 is interrupt (or NMI) from process
> > > > > > > level, 0x10 is interrupt/NMI from idle/user, and so on.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What am I missing here?  Why wouldn't this work, and without adding yet
> > > > > > > another RCU-imposed constraint on some other subsystem?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What about replacing the warning with a WARN_ON_ONCE(in_irq()), would that
> > > > > > address your concern?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also, considering this warning condition is most likely never occurring as we
> > > > > > know it, and we are considering deleting it soon enough, is it really worth
> > > > > > reimplementing the whole mechanism with a complex bit-sharing scheme just
> > > > > > because of the BH-disable condition you mentioned, which likely doesn't
> > > > > > happen today? In my implementation, this is just a simple counter. I feel
> > > > > > combining bits in the same counter will just introduce more complexity that
> > > > > > this patch tries to address/avoid.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > OTOH, I also don't mind with just deleting the warning altogether if you are
> > > > > > Ok with that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The big advantage of combining the counters is that all of the state is
> > > > > explicit and visible in one place.  Plus it can be accessed atomically.
> > > > > And it avoids setting a time bomb for some poor guys just trying to get
> > > > > their idle-loop jobs done some time in the dim distant future.
> > > > 
> > > > I could try the approach you're suggesting but I didn't actually see an issue
> > > > with the patch in its current state other than the WARN_ON_ONCE which I could
> > > > change to WARN_ON_ONCE(in_irq()) to remove the concern. AFAICS, we don't
> > > > detect "half soft-interrupts" in this code in anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > I do feel the approach you're suggesting can be a follow up, these 2 patches
> > > > just focus on deleting dynticks_nmi_nesting counter and we can test this
> > > > approach thoroughly for a release or so.
> > > > 
> > > > > Besides, this pair of patches already makes a large change from a
> > > > > conceptual viewpoint.  If we are going to make a large change, let's
> > > > > get our money's worth out of that change!
> > > > 
> > > > IMHO, most of the changes are to code comments, the actual code change is
> > > > very little and is just removal of dynticks_nmi_nesting and simplification;
> > > > its not really an introduction of a new mechanism.
> > > 
> > > This change is not fixing a bug, so there is no need for an emergency fix,
> > > and thus no point in additional churn.  I understand that it is a bit
> > > annoying to code and test something and have your friendly maintainer say
> > > "sorry, wrong rocks", and the reason that I understand this is that I do
> > > that to myself rather often.
> > 
> > The motivation for me for this change is to avoid future bugs such as with
> > the following patch where "== 2" did not take the force write of
> > DYNTICK_IRQ_NONIDLE into account:
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/paulmck/linux-rcu.git/commit/?h=dev&id=13c4b07593977d9288e5d0c21c89d9ba27e2ea1f
> 
> Yes, the current code does need some simplification.
> 
> > I still don't see it as pointless churn, it is also a maintenance cost in its
> > current form and the simplification is worth it IMHO both from a readability,
> > and maintenance stand point.
> > 
> > I still don't see what's technically wrong with the patch. I could perhaps
> > add the above "== 2" point in the patch?
> 
> I don't know of a crash or splat your patch would cause, if that is
> your question.  But that is also true of the current code, so the point
> is simplification, not bug fixing.  And from what I can see, there is an
> opportunity to simplify quite a bit further.  And with something like
> RCU, further simplification is worth -serious- consideration.
> 
> > We could also discuss f2f at LPC to see if we can agree about it?
> 
> That might make a lot of sense.

Sure. I am up for a further redesign / simplification. I will think more
about your suggestions and can also further discuss at LPC.

And this patch is on LKML archives and is not going anywhere so there's no
rush I guess ;-)

> In the meantime, could you please create an independent series (or
> more than one series, as the case may be) of the other patches?

The only other patch in this series is to repurpose the dyntick_nesting
counter to do the job of the dynticks_nmi_nesting counter. Did you mean that
one? Or did you mean the dntick tracing patch? I think I should indeed submit
the tracing patch separately.

thanks,

 - Joel

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