linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v7 5/6] powerpc/64: Make COMPAT user-selectable disabled on littleendian by default.

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Message-ID: <87k1aqs19n.fsf@mpe.ellerman.id.au>
Date:   Tue, 03 Sep 2019 09:53:56 +1000
From:   Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>
To:     Segher Boessenkool <segher@...nel.crashing.org>
Cc:     Michal Suchanek <msuchanek@...e.de>, linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org,
        Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
        Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com>,
        Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@....fr>,
        Breno Leitao <leitao@...ian.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Firoz Khan <firoz.khan@...aro.org>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Joel Stanley <joel@....id.au>,
        Hari Bathini <hbathini@...ux.ibm.com>,
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        Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 5/6] powerpc/64: Make COMPAT user-selectable disabled on littleendian by default.

Segher Boessenkool <segher@...nel.crashing.org> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 02, 2019 at 12:03:12PM +1000, Michael Ellerman wrote:
>> Michal Suchanek <msuchanek@...e.de> writes:
>> > On bigendian ppc64 it is common to have 32bit legacy binaries but much
>> > less so on littleendian.
>> 
>> I think the toolchain people will tell you that there is no 32-bit
>> little endian ABI defined at all, if anything works it's by accident.
                ^
                v2

> There of course is a lot of powerpcle-* support.  The ABI used for it
> on linux is the SYSV ABI, just like on BE 32-bit.

I was talking about ELFv2, which is 64-bit only. But that was based on
me thinking we had a hard assumption in the kernel that ppc64le kernels
always expect ELFv2 userland. Looking at the code though I was wrong
about that, it looks like we will run little endian ELFv1 binaries,
though I don't think anyone is testing it.

> There also is specific powerpcle-linux support in GCC, and in binutils,
> too.  Also, config.guess/config.sub supports it.  Half a year ago this
> all built fine (no, I don't test it often either).
>
> I don't think glibc supports it though, so I wonder if anyone builds an
> actual system with it?  Maybe busybox or the like?
>
>> So I think we should not make this selectable, unless someone puts their
>> hand up to say they want it and are willing to test it and keep it
>> working.
>
> What about actual 32-bit LE systems?  Does anyone still use those?

Not that I've ever heard of.

cheers