linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v2] mm: emit tracepoint when RSS changes by threshold

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Message-ID: <CAJuCfpFve2v7d0LX20btk4kAjEpgJ4zeYQQSpqYsSo__CY68xw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:03:01 -0700
From:   Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
Cc:     Joel Fernandes <joel@...lfernandes.org>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Tim Murray <timmurray@...gle.com>,
        Carmen Jackson <carmenjackson@...gle.com>,
        Mayank Gupta <mayankgupta@...gle.com>,
        Daniel Colascione <dancol@...gle.com>,
        Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        kernel-team <kernel-team@...roid.com>,
        "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@...ux.ibm.com>,
        Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@...dia.com>,
        Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@...e.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: emit tracepoint when RSS changes by threshold

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 7:43 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> [Add Steven]
>
> On Wed 04-09-19 12:28:08, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:38 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed 04-09-19 11:32:58, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> [...]
> > > > but also for reducing
> > > > tracing noise. Flooding the traces makes it less useful for long traces and
> > > > post-processing of traces. IOW, the overhead reduction is a bonus.
> > >
> > > This is not really anything special for this tracepoint though.
> > > Basically any tracepoint in a hot path is in the same situation and I do
> > > not see a point why each of them should really invent its own way to
> > > throttle. Maybe there is some way to do that in the tracing subsystem
> > > directly.
> >
> > I am not sure if there is a way to do this easily. Add to that, the fact that
> > you still have to call into trace events. Why call into it at all, if you can
> > filter in advance and have a sane filtering default?
> >
> > The bigger improvement with the threshold is the number of trace records are
> > almost halved by using a threshold. The number of records went from 4.6K to
> > 2.6K.
>
> Steven, would it be feasible to add a generic tracepoint throttling?

I might misunderstand this but is the issue here actually throttling
of the sheer number of trace records or tracing large enough changes
to RSS that user might care about? Small changes happen all the time
but we are likely not interested in those. Surely we could postprocess
the traces to extract changes large enough to be interesting but why
capture uninteresting information in the first place? IOW the
throttling here should be based not on the time between traces but on
the amount of change of the traced signal. Maybe a generic facility
like that would be a good idea?

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