linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v9 00/11] x86: PIE support to extend KASLR randomization

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Date:   Fri, 6 Sep 2019 16:22:47 -0700
From:   Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@...omium.org>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:     Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
        Kristen Carlson Accardi <kristen@...ux.intel.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 00/11] x86: PIE support to extend KASLR randomization

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:55 PM Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@...omium.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 8:51 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 05:43:47PM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 12:12:44PM -0700, Thomas Garnier wrote:
> > > > These patches make some of the changes necessary to build the kernel as
> > > > Position Independent Executable (PIE) on x86_64. Another patchset will
> > > > add the PIE option and larger architecture changes.
> > >
> > > Yeah, about this: do we have a longer writeup about the actual benefits
> > > of all this and why we should take this all? After all, after looking
> > > at the first couple of asm patches, it is posing restrictions to how
> > > we deal with virtual addresses in asm (only RIP-relative addressing in
> > > 64-bit mode, MOVs with 64-bit immediates, etc, for example) and I'm
> > > willing to bet money that some future unrelated change will break PIE
> > > sooner or later.
>
> The goal is being able to extend the range of addresses where the
> kernel can be placed with KASLR. I will look at clarifying that in the
> future.
>
> >
> > Possibly objtool can help here; it should be possible to teach it about
> > these rules, and then it will yell when violated. That should avoid
> > regressions.
> >
>
> I will look into that as well.

Following a discussion with Kees. I will explore objtool in the
follow-up patchset as we still have more elaborate pie changes in the
second set. I like the idea overall and I think it would be great if
it works.