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Date:   Wed, 11 Sep 2019 19:21:35 +0000
From:   Martin Raiber <martin@...ackup.org>
To:     Mike Christie <mchristi@...hat.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-block@...r.kernel.org" <linux-block@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux-MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Add proc interface to set PF_MEMALLOC flags

On 11.09.2019 18:56 Mike Christie wrote:
> On 09/11/2019 03:40 AM, Martin Raiber wrote:
>> On 10.09.2019 10:35 Damien Le Moal wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> On 2019/09/09 19:26, Mike Christie wrote:
>>>> Forgot to cc linux-mm.
>>>>
>>>> On 09/09/2019 11:28 AM, Mike Christie wrote:
>>>>> There are several storage drivers like dm-multipath, iscsi, and nbd that
>>>>> have userspace components that can run in the IO path. For example,
>>>>> iscsi and nbd's userspace deamons may need to recreate a socket and/or
>>>>> send IO on it, and dm-multipath's daemon multipathd may need to send IO
>>>>> to figure out the state of paths and re-set them up.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the kernel these drivers have access to GFP_NOIO/GFP_NOFS and the
>>>>> memalloc_*_save/restore functions to control the allocation behavior,
>>>>> but for userspace we would end up hitting a allocation that ended up
>>>>> writing data back to the same device we are trying to allocate for.
>>>>>
>>>>> This patch allows the userspace deamon to set the PF_MEMALLOC* flags
>>>>> through procfs. It currently only supports PF_MEMALLOC_NOIO, but
>>>>> depending on what other drivers and userspace file systems need, for
>>>>> the final version I can add the other flags for that file or do a file
>>>>> per flag or just do a memalloc_noio file.
>>> Awesome. That probably will be the perfect solution for the problem we hit with
>>> tcmu-runner a while back (please see this thread:
>>> https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-fsdevel/msg148912.html).
>>>
>>> I think we definitely need nofs as well for dealing with cases where the backend
>>> storage for the user daemon is a file.
>>>
>>> I will give this patch a try as soon as possible (I am traveling currently).
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>> I had issues with this as well, and work on this is appreciated! In my
>> case it is a loop block device on a fuse file system.
>> Setting PF_LESS_THROTTLE was the one that helped the most, though, so
>> add an option for that as well? I set this via prctl() for the thread
>> calling it (was easiest to add to).
>>
>> Sorry, I have no idea about the current rationale, but wouldn't it be
>> better to have a way to mask a set of block devices/file systems not to
>> write-back to in a thread. So in my case I'd specify that the fuse
>> daemon threads cannot write-back to the file system and loop device
>> running on top of the fuse file system, while all other block
>> devices/file systems can be write-back to (causing less swapping/OOM
>> issues).
> I'm not sure I understood you.
>
> The storage daemons I mentioned normally kick off N threads per M
> devices. The threads handle duties like IO and error handling for those
> devices. Those threads would set the flag, so those IO/error-handler
> related operations do not end up writing back to them. So it works
> similar to how storage drivers work in the kernel where iscsi_tcp has an
> xmit thread and that does memalloc_noreclaim_save. Only the threads for
> those specific devices being would set the flag.
>
> In your case, it sounds like you have a thread/threads that would
> operate on multiple devices and some need the behavior and some do not.
> Is that right?

No, sounds the same as your case. As an example think of vdfuse (or
qemu-nbd locally). You'd have something like

ext4(a) <- loop <- fuse file system <- vdfuse <- disk.vdi container file
<- ext4(b) <- block device

If vdfuse threads cause writeback to ext4(a), you'd get the issue we
have. Setting PF_LESS_THROTTLE and/or PF_MEMALLOC_NOIO mostly avoids
this problem, but with only PF_LESS_THROTTLE there are still corner
cases (I think if ext4(b) slows down suddenly) where it wedges itself
and the side effect of setting PF_MEMALLOC_NOIO are being discussed...
The best solution would be, I guess, to have a way for vdfuse to set
something, such that write-back to ext4(a) isn't allowed from those
threads, but write-back to ext4(b) (and all other block devices) is. But
I only have a rough idea of how write-back works, so this is really only
a guess.

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