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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 10:43:47 +0100
From: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@....com>
To: Jassi Brar <jassisinghbrar@...il.com>
Cc: Peng Fan <peng.fan@....com>,
"robh+dt@...nel.org" <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
"mark.rutland@....com" <mark.rutland@....com>,
"sudeep.holla@....com" <sudeep.holla@....com>,
"f.fainelli@...il.com" <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
"devicetree@...r.kernel.org" <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
"linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org"
<linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
dl-linux-imx <linux-imx@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 1/2] dt-bindings: mailbox: add binding doc for the
ARM SMC/HVC mailbox
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 00:27:00 -0500
Jassi Brar <jassisinghbrar@...il.com> wrote:
Hi,
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:31 PM Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@....com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:44:37 +0000
> > Peng Fan <peng.fan@....com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > From: Peng Fan <peng.fan@....com>
> > >
> > > The ARM SMC/HVC mailbox binding describes a firmware interface to trigger
> > > actions in software layers running in the EL2 or EL3 exception levels.
> > > The term "ARM" here relates to the SMC instruction as part of the ARM
> > > instruction set, not as a standard endorsed by ARM Ltd.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Peng Fan <peng.fan@....com>
> > > ---
> > > .../devicetree/bindings/mailbox/arm-smc.yaml | 96 ++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > 1 file changed, 96 insertions(+)
> > > create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/mailbox/arm-smc.yaml
> > >
> > > diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/mailbox/arm-smc.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/mailbox/arm-smc.yaml
> > > new file mode 100644
> > > index 000000000000..bf01bec035fc
> > > --- /dev/null
> > > +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/mailbox/arm-smc.yaml
> > > @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@
> > > +# SPDX-License-Identifier: (GPL-2.0 OR BSD-2-Clause)
> > > +%YAML 1.2
> > > +---
> > > +$id: http://devicetree.org/schemas/mailbox/arm-smc.yaml#
> > > +$schema: http://devicetree.org/meta-schemas/core.yaml#
> > > +
> > > +title: ARM SMC Mailbox Interface
> > > +
> > > +maintainers:
> > > + - Peng Fan <peng.fan@....com>
> > > +
> > > +description: |
> > > + This mailbox uses the ARM smc (secure monitor call) and hvc (hypervisor
> >
> > I think "or" instead of "and" is less confusing.
> >
> > > + call) instruction to trigger a mailbox-connected activity in firmware,
> > > + executing on the very same core as the caller. The value of r0/w0/x0
> > > + the firmware returns after the smc call is delivered as a received
> > > + message to the mailbox framework, so synchronous communication can be
> > > + established. The exact meaning of the action the mailbox triggers as
> > > + well as the return value is defined by their users and is not subject
> > > + to this binding.
> > > +
> > > + One use case of this mailbox is the SCMI interface, which uses shared
> >
> > One example use case of this mailbox ...
> > (to make it more obvious that it's not restricted to this)
> >
> > > + memory to transfer commands and parameters, and a mailbox to trigger a
> > > + function call. This allows SoCs without a separate management processor
> > > + (or when such a processor is not available or used) to use this
> > > + standardized interface anyway.
> > > +
> > > + This binding describes no hardware, but establishes a firmware interface.
> > > + Upon receiving an SMC using one of the described SMC function identifiers,
> >
> > ... the described SMC function identifier,
> >
> > > + the firmware is expected to trigger some mailbox connected functionality.
> > > + The communication follows the ARM SMC calling convention.
> > > + Firmware expects an SMC function identifier in r0 or w0. The supported
> > > + identifiers are passed from consumers,
> >
> > identifier
> >
> > "passed from consumers": How? Where?
> > But I want to repeat: We should not allow this.
> > This is a binding for a mailbox controller driver, not a generic firmware backdoor.
> >
> Exactly. The mailbox controller here is the SMC/HVC instruction,
No, the mailbox controller is an *SMCCC compliant* smc/hvc call, targeting a very specific function ID. SMC calls are used for PSCI already, for instance, and you don't want to mess with that. Also some platforms define a vendor specific smc interface, again using a well constructed function ID complying to SMCCC.
So we definitely need to stay within SMCCC for this kind of generic interface, *and* to let firmware specify the function ID via the DT, to not clash with any other function ID.
> which needs 9 arguments to work. The fact that the fist argument is
> always going to be same on a platform is just the way we use this
> instruction.
>
> > We should be as strict as possible to avoid any security issues.
> >
> Any example of such a security issue?
Someone finds a way to trick some mailbox client to send a crafted message to the mailbox.
Do you have any example of a use case where the mailbox client needs to provide the function ID?
> > The firmware certainly knows the function ID it implements. The firmware controls the DT. So it is straight-forward to put the ID into the DT. The firmware could even do this at boot time, dynamically, before passing on the DT to the non-secure world (bootloader or kernel).
> >
> > What would be the use case of this functionality?
> >
> At least for flexibility and consistency.
I appreciate the flexibility idea, but when creating an interface, especially a generic one to any kind of firmware, you should be as strict as possible, to avoid clashes in the future.
> > > or listed in the the arm,func-ids
> >
> > arm,func-id
> >
> > > + properties as described below. The firmware can return one value in
> >
> > property
> >
> > > + the first SMC result register, it is expected to be an error value,
> > > + which shall be propagated to the mailbox client.
> > > +
> > > + Any core which supports the SMC or HVC instruction can be used, as long
> > > + as a firmware component running in EL3 or EL2 is handling these calls.
> > > +
> > > +properties:
> > > + compatible:
> > > + oneOf:
> > > + - description:
> > > + For implementations using ARM SMC instruction.
> > > + const: arm,smc-mbox
> > > +
> > > + - description:
> > > + For implementations using ARM HVC instruction.
> > > + const: arm,hvc-mbox
> >
> > I am not particularly happy with this, but well ...
> >
> > > +
> > > + "#mbox-cells":
> > > + const: 1
> >
> > Why is this "1"? What is this number used for? It used to be the channel ID, but since you are describing a single channel controller only, this should be 0 now.
> >
> Yes. I overlooked it and actually queued the patch for pull request.
> But I think the bindings should not carry a 'fix' patch later. Also I
> realise this revision of binding hasn't been reviewed by Rob. Maybe I
> should drop the patch for now.
Yes, please do. I would like to make sure that the binding is correct, as it serves as a specification for people implementing both firmware services and other drivers (like *BSD).
> > > +
> > > + arm,func-id:
> > > + description: |
> > > + An 32-bit value specifying the function ID used by the mailbox.
> >
> > A single 32-bit value ...
> >
> > > + The function ID follow the ARM SMC calling convention standard [1].
> >
> > follows
> >
> > > + $ref: /schemas/types.yaml#/definitions/uint32
> > > +
> > > +required:
> > > + - compatible
> > > + - "#mbox-cells"
> > > +
> > > +examples:
> > > + - |
> > > + sram@...000 {
> > > + compatible = "mmio-sram";
> > > + reg = <0x0 0x93f000 0x0 0x1000>;
> > > + #address-cells = <1>;
> > > + #size-cells = <1>;
> > > + ranges = <0x0 0x93f000 0x1000>;
> > > +
> > > + cpu_scp_lpri: scp-shmem@0 {
> > > + compatible = "arm,scmi-shmem";
> > > + reg = <0x0 0x200>;
> > > + };
> > > + };
> > > +
> > > + smc_tx_mbox: tx_mbox {
> > > + #mbox-cells = <1>;
> >
> > As mentioned above, should be 0.
> >
> > > + compatible = "arm,smc-mbox";
> > > + /* optional */
> >
> > First: having "optional" in a specific example is not helpful, just confusing.
> > Second: It is actually *not* optional in this case, as there is no other way of propagating the function ID. The SCMI driver as the mailbox client has certainly no clue about this.
> > I think I said this previously: Relying on the mailbox client to pass the function ID sounds broken, as this is a property of the mailbox controller driver. The mailbox client does not care about this mailbox communication detail, it just wants to trigger the mailbox.
> >
> Again, the mailbox controller here is the SMC/HVC _instruction_, which
> doesn't care what value the first argument carry.
That is not true. Just check Peng's example implementation he mentioned in the cover letter:
#define FSL_SIP_SCMI_1 0xc20000fe
#define FSL_SIP_SCMI_2 0xc20000ff
....
case FSL_SIP_SCMI_1:
case FSL_SIP_SCMI_2:
SMC_RET1(handle, scmi_handler(smc_fid, x1, x2, x3));
Definitely the function ID is crucial here.
Cheers,
Andre.
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