linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] mm: memcg: add priority for soft limit reclaiming

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Date:   Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:23:35 +0000
From:   Roman Gushchin <guro@...com>
To:     Michal Hocko <mhocko@...nel.org>
CC:     Hillf Danton <hdanton@...a.com>,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@...xchg.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        linux <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@...gle.com>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mm: memcg: add priority for soft limit reclaiming

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 03:30:16PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 24-09-19 15:36:42, Hillf Danton wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 21:28:34 Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Mon 23-09-19 21:04:59, Hillf Danton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 21:32:31 +0800 Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu 19-09-19 21:13:32, Hillf Danton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently memory controler is playing increasingly important role in
> > > > > > how memory is used and how pages are reclaimed on memory pressure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In daily works memcg is often created for critical tasks and their pre
> > > > > > configured memory usage is supposed to be met even on memory pressure.
> > > > > > Administrator wants to make it configurable that the pages consumed by
> > > > > > memcg-B can be reclaimed by page allocations invoked not by memcg-A but
> > > > > > by memcg-C.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not really sure I understand the usecase well but this sounds like
> > > > > what memory reclaim protection in v2 is aiming at.
> > > > >
> > > Please describe the usecase.
> > > 
> > It is for quite a while that task-A has been able to preempt task-B for
> > cpu cycles. IOW the physical resource cpu cycles are preemptible.
> > 
> > Are physical pages are preemptible too in the same manner?
> > Nope without priority defined for pages currently (say the link between
> > page->nice and task->nice).
> > 
> > The slrp is added for memcg instead of nice because 1) it is only used
> > in the page reclaiming context (in memcg it is soft limit reclaiming),
> > and 2) it is difficult to compare reclaimer and reclaimee task->nice
> > directly in that context as only info about reclaimer and lru page is
> > available.
> > 
> > Here task->nice is replaced with memcg->slrp in order to do page
> > preemption, PP. There is no way for task-A to PP task-B, but the
> > group containing task-A can PP the group containing task-B.
> > That preemption needs code within 100 lines as you see on top of
> > the current memory controller framework.
> 
> This is exactly what the reclaim protection in memcg v2 is meant to be
> used for. Also soft limit reclaim is absolutely terrible to achieve that
> because it is just too gross to result in any smooth experience (just
> have a look how it is doing priority 0 scannig!).
> 
> I am not going to even go further wrt the implementation because I
> belive the priority is even semantically broken wrt hierarchical
> behavior.
> 
> But really, make sure you look into the existing feature set that memcg
> v2 provides already and come back if you find it unsuitable and we can
> move from there. Soft limit reclaim is dead and we should let it RIP.

Can't agree more here.

Cgroup v2 memory protection mechanisms (memory.low/min) should perfectly
solve the described problem. If not, let's fix them rather than extend soft
reclaim which is already dead.

Thanks!