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Date:   Wed, 2 Oct 2019 06:44:48 -0400
From:   Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@...hat.com>
To:     David Hildenbrand <david@...hat.com>,
        Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 0/6] mm / virtio: Provide support for unused page
 reporting


On 10/2/19 3:13 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 02.10.19 02:55, Alexander Duyck wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 12:16 PM Nitesh Narayan Lal <nitesh@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/1/19 12:21 PM, Alexander Duyck wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2019-10-01 at 17:35 +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> On 01.10.19 17:29, Alexander Duyck wrote:
>>>>>> This series provides an asynchronous means of reporting to a hypervisor
>>>>>> that a guest page is no longer in use and can have the data associated
>>>>>> with it dropped. To do this I have implemented functionality that allows
>>>>>> for what I am referring to as unused page reporting. The advantage of
>>>>>> unused page reporting is that we can support a significant amount of
>>>>>> memory over-commit with improved performance as we can avoid having to
>>>>>> write/read memory from swap as the VM will instead actively participate
>>>>>> in freeing unused memory so it doesn't have to be written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The functionality for this is fairly simple. When enabled it will allocate
>>>>>> statistics to track the number of reported pages in a given free area.
>>>>>> When the number of free pages exceeds this value plus a high water value,
>>>>>> currently 32, it will begin performing page reporting which consists of
>>>>>> pulling non-reported pages off of the free lists of a given zone and
>>>>>> placing them into a scatterlist. The scatterlist is then given to the page
>>>>>> reporting device and it will perform the required action to make the pages
>>>>>> "reported", in the case of virtio-balloon this results in the pages being
>>>>>> madvised as MADV_DONTNEED. After this they are placed back on their
>>>>>> original free list. If they are not merged in freeing an additional bit is
>>>>>> set indicating that they are a "reported" buddy page instead of a standard
>>>>>> buddy page. The cycle then repeats with additional non-reported pages
>>>>>> being pulled until the free areas all consist of reported pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to try and keep the time needed to find a non-reported page to
>>>>>> a minimum we maintain a "reported_boundary" pointer. This pointer is used
>>>>>> by the get_unreported_pages iterator to determine at what point it should
>>>>>> resume searching for non-reported pages. In order to guarantee pages do
>>>>>> not get past the scan I have modified add_to_free_list_tail so that it
>>>>>> will not insert pages behind the reported_boundary. Doing this allows us
>>>>>> to keep the overhead to a minimum as re-walking the list without the
>>>>>> boundary will result in as much as 18% additional overhead on a 32G VM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> As far as possible regressions I have focused on cases where performing
>>>>>> the hinting would be non-optimal, such as cases where the code isn't
>>>>>> needed as memory is not over-committed, or the functionality is not in
>>>>>> use. I have been using the will-it-scale/page_fault1 test running with 16
>>>>>> vcpus and have modified it to use Transparent Huge Pages. With this I see
>>>>>> almost no difference with the patches applied and the feature disabled.
>>>>>> Likewise I see almost no difference with the feature enabled, but the
>>>>>> madvise disabled in the hypervisor due to a device being assigned. With
>>>>>> the feature fully enabled in both guest and hypervisor I see a regression
>>>>>> between -1.86% and -8.84% versus the baseline. I found that most of the
>>>>>> overhead was due to the page faulting/zeroing that comes as a result of
>>>>>> the pages having been evicted from the guest.
>>>>> I think Michal asked for a performance comparison against Nitesh's
>>>>> approach, to evaluate if keeping the reported state + tracking inside
>>>>> the buddy is really worth it. Do you have any such numbers already? (or
>>>>> did my tired eyes miss them in this cover letter? :/)
>>>>>
>>>> I thought what Michal was asking for was what was the benefit of using the
>>>> boundary pointer. I added a bit up above and to the description for patch
>>>> 3 as on a 32G VM it adds up to about a 18% difference without factoring in
>>>> the page faulting and zeroing logic that occurs when we actually do the
>>>> madvise.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have a working patch set for Nitesh's code? The last time I tried
>>>> running his patch set I ran into issues with kernel panics. If we have a
>>>> known working/stable patch set I can give it a try.
>>> Did you try the v12 patch-set [1]?
>>> I remember that you reported the CPU stall issue, which I fixed in the v12.
>>>
>>> [1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/8/12/593
>> So I tried testing with the spin_lock calls replaced with spin_lock
>> _irq to resolve the IRQ issue. I also had shuffle enabled in order to
>> increase the number of pages being dirtied.
>>
>> With that setup the bitmap approach is running significantly worse
>> then my approach, even with the boundary removed. Since I had to
> It would make sense to share the setup+benchmark+performance indication
> that you measured. You don't have to share the actual numbers.

+1

>
>> modify the code to even getting working I am not comfortable posting
>> numbers. My suggestion would be to look at reworking the patch set and
>> post numbers for my patch set versus the bitmap approach and we can
>> look at them then. I would prefer not to spend my time fixing and
>> tuning a patch set that I am still not convinced is viable.
> I agree, I think Nitesh should work on his patch set and try to
> reproduce what you are seeing.

Sure.
I am always open to suggestions of different benchmarks/setup
where I can run my patch-set.

>
> Also, I think to make a precise statement of "which overhead comes with
> external tracking", Nitesh should switch to an approach (motivated by
> Michal) like
>
> 1. Sense lockless if a page is still free
> 2. start_isolate_page_range()
> -> Failed? Skip
> 3. test_pages_isolated()
> -> No? undo_isolate_page_range(), skip
> 4. Repeat for multiple pages + report
> 5. undo_isolate_page_range()
>
> That is the bare minimum any external tracking will need = some overhead
> for the tracking data. As a nice side effect, it get's rid of taking the
> zone lock manually AFAIKS.
>
> But that's unrelated to your series, only to quantify "how much" does
> external tracking actually cost.

Exactly, first, we need to be sure that the overhead caused by bitmap
scanning is not significant. If we are fine with the approach, I will
certainly look into this as this would be an excellent enhancement.

-- 
Thanks
Nitesh

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